Getting the colour right

[LCDR]

I just received an email concerning a pre-order I have in for the Hornby LSWR non-corridors. They are changing the colour of the BR version from green to crimson.  A bit of research reveals that this is absolutely correct, the non-corridors were painted crimson by BR but never got a coat of post-1957 green, so they would have been incorrect in BR green. Well done Hornby!

I note that Bachmann will not be painting the Birdcage coaches in BR green, as these only lasted until 1958, it was not worth while BR painting these green either.

 

If you want green ones of course you have to go for the pre-Nationalisation versions.

[Ruffnut Thorston]

Yes, "Carmine" red, also known as Crimson, or "Blood" was the colour for all Non-Corridor coaches from 1948 to 1956.

Some coaches had lining, others didn't.

 

Also painted Carmine Red were Non-Passenger Coaching Stock vehicles, that is "Parcels" vans such as CCTs and PMVs, Syphons,  etc.

 

The "Meat" wagons, and other 4-wheel wagons that were "Passenger Rated", with "XP" labeling were also painted Carmine Red. (The GWR "Brown Vehicles" were the type to be painted Carmine Red...)

 

The Carmine Red was also used with Cream for Corridor Coaches, 1948-1956. "Blood and Custard". These also had lining between the colours.

 

The "BK" Gangwayed Brake coaches (Full Brakes) were mainly Crimson and Cream (Apparently some were painted plain Crimson early on...)

 

After 1956, "Maroon" was the standard colour for all coaching stock....but the Regions could have some different colours for specific trains.

 

The Western Region used Chocolate and Cream, but this was meant to be for "Named Trains" only. The number of Named Trains on the Western Region increased after 1956!

 

The Southern Region, which went for "Green", had managed to keep the re-painting of coaches from SR green into BR liveries to a minimum, and some Souhern Railway coaches never carried the 1948-1956 BR liveries, being re-painted into BR(SR) Green from Southern Railway Green!

 

Colourful Coaches.....

[81F]

Yes, "Carmine" red, also known as Crimson, or "Blood" was the colour for all Non-Corridor coaches from 1948 to 1956.

Some coaches had lining, others didn't.

 

Also painted Carmine Red were Non-Passenger Coaching Stock vehicles, that is "Parcels" vans such as CCTs and PMVs, Syphons,  etc.

 

The "Meat" wagons, and other 4-wheel wagons that were "Passenger Rated", with "XP" labeling were also painted Carmine Red. (The GWR "Brown Vehicles" were the type to be painted Carmine Red...)

 

The Carmine Red was also used with Cream for Corridor Coaches, 1948-1956. "Blood and Custard". These also had lining between the colours.

 

The "BK" Gangwayed Brake coaches (Full Brakes) were mainly Crimson and Cream (Apparently some were painted plain Crimson early on...)

 

After 1956, "Maroon" was the standard colour for all coaching stock....but the Regions could have some different colours for specific trains.

 

The Western Region used Chocolate and Cream, but this was meant to be for "Named Trains" only. The number of Named Trains on the Western Region increased after 1956!

 

The Southern Region, which went for "Green", had managed to keep the re-painting of coaches from SR green into BR liveries to a minimum, and some Souhern Railway coaches never carried the 1948-1956 BR liveries, being re-painted into BR(SR) Green from Southern Railway Green!

 

Colourful Coaches.....

Photographs also show there were some colourful trains with different region coaches being mixed up!

 

I understand that the Southern kept their green because the tended to re-varnish rather than repaint.

[Ruffnut Thorston]

Yes, "Carmine" red, also known as Crimson, or "Blood" was the colour for all Non-Corridor coaches from 1948 to 1956.

Some coaches had lining, others didn't.

 

Also painted Carmine Red were Non-Passenger Coaching Stock vehicles, that is "Parcels" vans such as CCTs and PMVs, Syphons,  etc.

 

The "Meat" wagons, and other 4-wheel wagons that were "Passenger Rated", with "XP" labeling were also painted Carmine Red. (The GWR "Brown Vehicles" were the type to be painted Carmine Red...)

 

The Carmine Red was also used with Cream for Corridor Coaches, 1948-1956. "Blood and Custard". These also had lining between the colours.

 

The "BK" Gangwayed Brake coaches (Full Brakes) were mainly Crimson and Cream (Apparently some were painted plain Crimson early on...)

 

After 1956, "Maroon" was the standard colour for all coaching stock....but the Regions could have some different colours for specific trains.

 

The Western Region used Chocolate and Cream, but this was meant to be for "Named Trains" only. The number of Named Trains on the Western Region increased after 1956!

 

The Southern Region, which went for "Green", had managed to keep the re-painting of coaches from SR green into BR liveries to a minimum, and some Souhern Railway coaches never carried the 1948-1956 BR liveries, being re-painted into BR(SR) Green from Southern Railway Green!

 

Colourful Coaches.....

Photographs also show there were some colourful trains with different region coaches being mixed up!

 

I understand that the Southern kept their green because the tended to re-varnish rather than repaint.

Yes, that is correct....clever those chaps down south! ;)