lyme regis train pack

[rogace]

i was wondering why the coaches are red and not green - i hardly ever saw red in Devon only on the IOW

 

is Hornby going to do the coaches in BR s green?  

[Bulleidboy]

In the 2016 Catalogue the R4745 "2-Set W" Set 109 Coach Pack  are shown in BR Green.

[walkingthedog]

I've  just come across a picture of a Lyme Regis train with Custard and Cream coaches. 

[Bulleidboy]

Was it real WTD? I'm not doubting your picture, but I've just looked at Google Images, and every single picture featuring Blood & custard coaches, is a created image - not a photograph. By the way what colour is custard and cream? BB

[walkingthedog]

Oh good grief I must have been thinking about biscuits again. 

 

No it wasn't a true picture, however, there is one black and white picture that does look like a maroon coach. Looks too dark to be green. 

 

Must admit it wouldn't be the first time Hornby have used incorrect coaches. 

 

Did the coaches only run between Axminster and Lyme Regis or were they part of the train on the main line? 

[LCDR]

 BR painted ALL its non-corridor stock in plain crimson lake from 1950 until 1957 whenever they went into workshops. However the Southern Region did not repaint on every occasion that carriages came in for overhaul, just touched up the bad bits and cleaned and varnished the rest. So any green carriages you see on the Southern after 1950 but before 1957 will either be in Maunsell dark green, or Bullied Malachite, but with the 'SOUTHERN RAILWAY' letters and the '3's on the doors painted out .  It has been estimated that the Southern Region had only repainted 70% of its carriages by 1957, when British Railways agreed that they could start using green again.  That said, however a lot of carriages WERE repainted crimson lake (or crimson & cream for corridor stock), and because they were being rapidly withdrawn in the mid-1950s the SR did not repaint any of the older non-corridor coaches back into green if they were already red. 

By 1955 however all the Lyme Regis sets were red.  When the non-corridors were withdrawn, they were replaced with Maunsell corridor carriages displaced by new BR mark 1s then taking over the better express services.

 

[Postman Prat]

Hi WTD

 

As far as I'm aware the 2 coach 'branch set' ran from Axminster to Lyme only. However, on summer Saturdays a further couple of coaches were dropped off a train from Waterloo and they were taken down the branch (I think)

 

However, we both know my Southern (and GWR) knowledge is patchy, but LC&DR will be along at some point to tell me I'm wrong, again!!!

[walkingthedog]

He didn't say you were wrong PP. 

[LCDR]

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Here is an example.

[Postman Prat]

 Obviously making progress !!

 

You can call me Knowledge Mk 2 if you like - LC&DR is Knowledge Mk 1, obviously !!

[Bulleidboy]

Hornby have changed their minds - the coaches will now be produced in BR Crimson! BB

[walkingthedog]

Which coaches BB. The set already comes with crimson coaches. 

[2e0dtoeric]

They're blushing with embarrassment at the confusion!  :-)

[walkingthedog]

According to what LC said red/crimson/maroon could be right for the BR period. 

[VESPA]

Just for interest, when looking at old B&W photos, they can give the wrong impression of colours if the photographer has used a coloured filter. A red or orange filter will lighten red to a pale grey and a green will make red darker. Using no filter and photographing red and green together will make both colours almost indistinguishable shades of grey. So if the coaches were green and the photographer has used an orange filter they may show a a shade of grey that maroon coaches would, without filter.

[walkingthedog]

Interesting info Vespa. Do you think general photographers used filters much in the black and white days?

[VESPA]

Interesting info Vespa. Do you think general photographers used filters much in the black and white days?

Without a doubt. If you had any interest in photography, you inevitably had a good camera. Even if your finances were limited it would be a camera such as an Ensign Selfix, a Zenith or a Praktica. Then the Japanese really entered the market with the Asahi Pentax, Nikon and Canon amongst others. Many stayed with roll film cameras such as Rollei for better quality images due to the larger negative size. I still have my Mamiya RB 67, a beast of a camera, that is not favoured for railway photography on the move.I also still have my Nikon outfits in 35mm format. Both systems are backed up with coloured filters for B&W and ploarising filters for colour. For some reason film cameras are making a comeback at present, probably due to the media courses being pushed in education.

[Bulleidboy]

Having read on another forum that Hattons had emailed a "pre-order customer" to say that the coaches were now to be in BR Crimson - I had assumed (perhaps wrongly), that it was the R4745 Coach pack. BB

[walkingthedog]

I had an Agfa bellows camera and just took B&W with that, then bought a Zenth B SLR. Took lots of B&W and colour with that. Later got a Canon AE1, had some coloured filters for that. Have now taken the Nikon SLR trail. No filters apart from UV one to protect the lenses and polarising ones to use when needed. 

[walkingthedog]

I guess they meant the coaches with the Regis set BB. 

[96RAF]

B&W on a Rex box camera using 120 - 8 shots to a roll film, also used the unique Jerome paper film. Then box Brownie on 127 film and on to a 110 camera, which was novel but poor, before getting into 35mm colour slides.

[VESPA]

My Mamiya RB67 is 10 on 120. I have used 5x4 sheet film in a Sinar. You get a dark slide with 2 sheets of film with that, but the quality print was superb. Totally useless for moving trains of course.

[rogace]

many thanks everyone for your kind replies- very interesting 

[BRSR1957]

 BR painted ALL its non-corridor stock in plain crimson lake from 1950 until 1957 whenever they went into workshops. However the Southern Region did not repaint on every occasion that carriages came in for overhaul, just touched up the bad bits and cleaned and varnished the rest. So any green carriages you see on the Southern after 1950 but before 1957 will either be in Maunsell dark green, or Bullied Malachite, but with the 'SOUTHERN RAILWAY' letters and the '3's on the doors painted out .  It has been estimated that the Southern Region had only repainted 70% of its carriages by 1957, when British Railways agreed that they could start using green again.  That said, however a lot of carriages WERE repainted crimson lake (or crimson & cream for corridor stock), and because they were being rapidly withdrawn in the mid-1950s the SR did not repaint any of the older non-corridor coaches back into green if they were already red. 

By 1955 however all the Lyme Regis sets were red.  When the non-corridors were withdrawn, they were replaced with Maunsell corridor carriages displaced by new BR mark 1s then taking over the better express services.

 

 

[BRSR1957]

I've been able to ascertain the following information on the non-corridor 2-Sets used on the Lyme Regis branch in the 1950s.

Set 42 - painted crimson between 09/53 & 03/54; withdrawn 11/57

Set 43 - no information; withdrawn 05/58

Set 44 - painted crimson  between 09/53 & 03/54; withdrawn 05/58

Set 45 - no information; withdrawn 12/56

Set 46 - painted crimson sometime by the end of 1950 since the coach number was placed on the LHS instead of the RHS of the coach; withdrawn 03/59.

At least one of the sets 43 and 45 was still in (malachite) green in 06/56 since there is a colour photo showing the BT of one of these sets at Lyme Regis.

The Lancing Coach Works out-shopping record book shows that None of the coaches received the BR maroon livery before they were withdrawn.

Photos taken on the Lyme Regis branch show that sometimes one of the coaches in these sets was temporarily replaced with a Maunsell corridor coach: a green TK replaced the BT in 08/55 and a cream and crimson BCK relaced the BCL in 11/57.

Nigel.