Please offer pre-grouping liveries on pre grouping locos.

[happybear]

I am a new modeller about 4yrs and i am interested in the pre grouping era and have chosen to model that time .Model railways are wonderful but i love history and the  late victoraian edwardian era (GCR and GNR mainly).I have spent on buildings and rolling stock over £5000.00 in the years since i started .I know era 2 is a bit thin on the ground inRTR but it is growing and products from other manufacturers have and the NRM have made things easier.So please Hornby if you produce an era 2 loco or rolling stock please make it available in that livery i would pay an extra premium to have it and i am sure others would to ,i have said this before there is a market and you could charge a premium to special order just a thought.

[Buz]

 Hi happybear

R6740 North British 3 plank wagon new this year I badgered them for that and have some on order at LHS

Can't remember the number but the Great Central coke wagon should be able to be easily found on the second hand market, a few loco's have been done in pre grouping liveries.

The old Triang NER coke wagon turns up from time to time on the second hand market.

Any wood framed PO wagon real or fictional can be used Hornby make a few of those

Oxford die cast have on thier new railway product list a 6? plank NB open wagon RTR and it should be compatable.

Other than that its kits if we are lucky the new peckett might come out in G&SWR livery

Keep your eyes open the odd ones do turn up in the Hornby range from time to time.

May be sugest they produce a particular van or wagon through the sugestions section and on the wish lists will help if you have a decent picture the design team can work with and keep at them they will eventualy make them.if enough noise is made.

regards John

[LCDR]

 It would also be useful if (a) Pre-Grouping goods brake vans were introduced to accompany appropriate pre-Grouping freight / mixed traffic locomotives, and (b) at least a pair of pre-Grouping coaches (Brake third and composite) introduced for pre-grouping passenger  locos.

 

This need not be as onerous as it seems because Hornby's  policy is to blitz a specfic pre-Grouping company (to date London & South Western and Great Eastern) so it would only require three new items of rolling stock for a batch of three or four different locomotives.  (LSWR - M7, T9, 700, 0415,  GER - J15, D15, B12/3.)

 

I did deal with this subject in another thread recently. The LSWR 'Road Brake Van' would be an ideal subject as it was copied in large numbers by the War Department in WW1 and then sold on to other railways (including the Great Eastern) after the War was over.  That covers both of Hornby's two main Pre-Grouping specialities. The vehicles also survived into BR days so there would be plenty of scope to include them in a large variety of layouts.

 

The wide range of trader's coal wagons in colourful advertising liveries would look much better in a full pre-Grouping train with appropriate loco at the front and an appropriate guards van in the rear.

 

[VESPA]

The sad thing with Hornby is that there is no joined up thinking with current rolling stock and locos. Most is a bit of a match and make do. I actually think that someone in development turns out beautiful models but someone in sales think they are just toy choo choos for anoraks.

[2e0dtoeric]

We never did get any more coaches for the Streamlined Duchesses, either!

[LCDR]

The sad thing with Hornby is that there is no joined up thinking with current rolling stock and locos. Most is a bit of a match and make do. I actually think that someone in development turns out beautiful models but someone in sales think they are just toy choo choos for anoraks.

I am afraid I agree with you. At one time HST power cars were in the catalogue in one livery but the Mark 3 trailers were in another totally unrelated one. It isn't quite so bad today but it is difficult to create realistic trains with matching locomotives and rolling stock. Frequently the matching vehicles are produced, but in unrealistic proportions. Thes cuts two ways, there is glut of untypical items (e,g. full First class carriages) and a shortage of common ones (e,g, Brake Thirds). The advice in the old catalogues of ' Carriages or Wagons of the period' was next to useless to anybody starting out.

 

Those of us that do try to create realistic train formations will shop around to different makers, buy and make kits, and in desperation resort to scratch building. That can't be good for Hornby's market position.

[GWR LNER fan 4472]

I have a GNR J13 that Hornby did a few years ago but I haven't been able to find any coaches for it to pull on my branch line so I've curently got it in charge of a few four-wheeler LMS coaches and it actually looks quite nice...

[flyingfox4475]

GNR coaches were teak and designed by Sir Nigel Greeley. So you can use Hornby LNER coaches with your J13. They won't look to out of place.

[GreenGiraffe22]

Before  I settled on my 40s SR layout I really wanted to do an LBSCR layout but (correct me if I am wrong) The only ready to Run LBSC stock is Bachmann's E4, Hornby's old E2 & Breakvan, an abundance of Terriers & a SimplySouthern Vent Van?

[LCDR]

Before  I settled on my 40s SR layout I really wanted to do an LBSCR layout but (correct me if I am wrong) The only ready to Run LBSC stock is Bachmann's E4, Hornby's old E2 & Breakvan, an abundance of Terriers & a SimplySouthern Vent Van?

That is pretty much 'it'. Bachmann have a H2 4-4-2 in the pipeline, which I have had on pre-order for a couple of years! There are of course coach kits, by Roxey and loco kits.

 

PP will of course say that this is better than they get for the North Eastern.