Paul.P Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Well i said i would post up some pictures,the layout is DCC,it will have all the track packs added,A to F,and the size is 10 feet x 4 feet,and i have a well for access,all points will be run by the hornby decoders,any questions, please feel free to ask,with lots of serching the internet a/media/tinymce_upload/2468f17346d274f2cfa88b8b3455de02.JPG/media/tinymce_upload/0c0f5ffdb4389aa667dbd8328a376f98.JPGnd help from members on here,im well on my way now/media/tinymce_upload/45ce91c82a771d7fbd1a7a603555acad.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 i will be laying my track down next weekend,am i right that i have to programme the hornby R8247 decoder before i start pinning alll the track down? im sure people use a piece of programming track,look forward to any replys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I see in your photos that you have a Select controller. The Select does not have a separate 'Programming' track output.. The Select manual shows a switch arrangement to enable a 'programming' track piece to be switched in and out to the Select track interface as required..You can program the R8247 at any time in the layout building process. Track laid or not, pinned or not, it doesn't matter. The R8247 just needs to be connected to the Select controller as the only connected device in order to program it..The easier option is just to disconnect the track wires from the output of the Select and connect either a piece of loco programming track OR the R8247 itself to the track output of the Select when performing programming activities..Just remember, with the Select, ONLY the device being programmed must be connected to it. If you inadvertently have more than one device connected at the same time during programming, then you risk the configuration of the other already configured device being adversely affected. This is why it is easier to just disconnect the track from the Select when you want to program a device, whether that be a loco or a R8247. With the track disconnected all your other locos and DCC devices can remain sitting on or connected to the track with the knowledge that they are isolated from the Select..Once the R8247 has been configured, THEN connect it back onto the track for normal operation. If it ever has to be re-configured for any reason, then the R8247 needs to be removed from the track and reconnected to the Select as the only connected device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 many thanks Chrissaf,that answer is a very big help,thanks again,that is the way i will do it,i will just disconnect the track wires from the output of the Select and connect the R8247 itself to the track output of the Select when programming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Can you reach the furthest corners of the layout? Trains always fall off there.Do you have insulation between the rafters? Lofts can get very hot in summer and very cold in winter, which not only makes it uncomfortable for the operator, but can also cause the track to expand and contract a lot causing the track to buckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 i have a well poliss,so i can reach the furthest corners,and most of the loft has insulation between the rafters,just a bit left to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 I see in your photos that you have a Select controller. The Select does not have a separate 'Programming' track output.. The Select manual shows a switch arrangement to enable a 'programming' track piece to be switched in and out to the Select track interface as required..You can program the R8247 at any time in the layout building process. Track laid or not, pinned or not, it doesn't matter. The R8247 just needs to be connected to the Select controller as the only connected device in order to program it..The easier option is just to disconnect the track wires from the output of the Select and connect either a piece of loco programming track OR the R8247 itself to the track output of the Select when performing programming activities..Just remember, with the Select, ONLY the device being programmed must be connected to it. If you inadvertently have more than one device connected at the same time during programming, then you risk the configuration of the other already configured device being adversely affected. This is why it is easier to just disconnect the track from the Select when you want to program a device, whether that be a loco or a R8247. With the track disconnected all your other locos and DCC devices can remain sitting on or connected to the track with the knowledge that they are isolated from the Select..Once the R8247 has been configured, THEN connect it back onto the track for normal operation. If it ever has to be re-configured for any reason, then the R8247 needs to be removed from the track and reconnected to the Select as the only connected device./media/tinymce_upload/bcdd5f12780974263298e19072d102bc.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 You've made a good start. The benchwork looks solid and the layout suface looks nice and flat. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 thanks poliss,im now 50 years old and the last time i had anything to do with model trains was when i was 8,and that was my brothers train set,i have had and still do have a 1/32 scale model farm layout in the loft,but i have pinched a 10 foot by 4 foot space,it wont be a massive layout,but by the time i have added all the track packs,i think i will have a sufficient layout which will keep me occupied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Interesting to compare loft spaces with mine as shown in the layout bit of the link in my signature box below. Similar tree-wood roof geometry to mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 another update,all my grass mat is now layed down,still wet,hence the dark patches/media/tinymce_upload/5dcf369aea24ee52750519955a89c0e5.JPG/media/tinymce_upload/88d7c44ae91fe33c921122487e0dca27.JPG/media/tinymce_upload/87cadb9b35008766f36f1324065d4a02.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 more info please chaps,with my layout only being 10 feet in length i dont think having a HST train with 6 to 8 coaches would look very good,what do most people run with a train and a 10 foot long layout, 2 or 3 coaches? the reason i am asking is that with a HST and 8 coaches that would be 10 feet or just over in length,filling the whole straight of my layout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 They call them tail chasers. I'd recommend using small tank engines running branch line services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 thanks poliss,but i want to get a HST,so perhaps just 2 or 3 coaches then? i have the class 47,and when it comes out ,i want the class 08 shunter,the laira depot one,as i am not far from the laira depot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 The old Hornby HST used to come with shorty coaches. Maybe you could get some second hand?People also use tunnels to disguise the fact that the trains are just going round and round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Mny thanks poliss,this forum is a great source of help and info,thankyou again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 well i am so glad i didnt pin anything down,after some thought, even with a 10 foot by 4 foot layout i would be tail chasing,so i am going to use space from my farm layout,i will now have 14 feet by 10 feet and the boards will only be 2 foot wide,2 loops and 3 or 4 feeder tracks to the 2 loops,im sure that is not the right termonology,any way that is the plan,i dont want to run hst's with just 2 coaches and since i have the space why not use it,also slightly dissapointed with dcc for 2 reasons,finding out that decoders lose programming due to shorts,and also changing points with the select,its just to slow,you really have to have your eye on the ball,another reason why going with 2 loops,only 1 point needed there,although i know i will need points for the 3 or 4 feeder tracks,but i will place them so i can manually switch the points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Early Hornby decoders used to lose programming with shorts. Newer ones shouldn't.I'd use analogue control for points, unless you have tablet or smartphone wireless DCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 the decoder i just bought poliss did lose its programmes,i do think for me this is the way to go,using hornby long straights,less connections their as well,also using the hornby track mat layout the inner tracks are not suitable for long rakes,as i said the plan is 2 loops and 3 feeder tracks,with my set up i can only use 3 trains at once,and thats enough for me,what is the proper termonology for as i call it 3/4 feeder tracks to the 2 loops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 They would be called sidings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 thanks poliss,i new they were sidings,just thought there might have been another name when there are more than1 grouped together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 A single one would just be a siding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 ok,thankyou,got to work out how and what track i need to link the 3 sidings to the loop,i want the sidings outside the loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 From Network RailSiding.A single piece of track attached to a mainline or headshunt at one end only. The other end will usually be terminated with a buffer stop so as to ensure that trains do not run off the end. Here's the full glossary of railway jargon.https://www.safety.networkrail.co.uk/services/jargon-buster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.P Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 cheers for that poliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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