Metal wheels for passenger carriages

[dustyman58]

Hi, I am looking at replacing my plastic wheels on my passenger coaches such as R.440/R.335.

Has anyone found suitable metal wheels for these?

Thanks

John.

[LCDR]

 Triang used smaller diameter wheels so most of the commonly available ones  (Bachmann and Hornby) will probably  be too big.  Markits make various wheels of different sizes so you need to measure your coach wheels and then check out Markits web site for something suitable. Unfortunately my Triang coaches are put away where I am forbidden to access while I am convalescing so I cannot measure any of mine.

 

http://www.markits.com/

 

You may also need to put brass bearings into the holes, and Markits sell these too.

[trainlover23]

 Hornby do 14 mm coach wheels in packs of ten

[Tony57]

Hi

I used the Hornby 12.6 diameter wheels as a direct replacement for the old Triang / Triang Hornby pin point axels.

[sony man dublo]

Hi i have bought metal wheels on ebay for some of my 3 rail trucks i never have plastic wheels running on my 3 rail layout and only use metal carrages and trucks as i feel this is more suited to my layout

 

chris

[81F]

Hello,

 Like Tony 57 I too have used the Hornby 12.6 diameter wheels as a direct replacement for the old Triang / Triang Hornby pin point axels. They come in three varieties:

 

R8096 Metal disc wheels

R8097 Metal 3 hole disc wheels

R8098 Metal spoked wheels.

 

I would suggest that Disc wheels like the R8096 and R8097 are probasbly best for coaches as wagons tend to have spoked ones. But I would advise looking at a photo of the real thing to see which ones to go for or match what was originally fitted though I know hornby have fitted spoked wheels to the Mk1 (not right).

 

The coaches I have used either of the two disk types on are as follows:

 

Hornby LMS operating mail coach and short clerestory (These had the same bogie based on the triang BR Mk1

Hornby/Triang/Railroad long Pullmans

Hornby long clerestories from the 1980s (more recent versions already had the metal 3 jhole disc fitted)

Hornby 4 wheeled coaches.

 

Having said that I have a small supply of the Hornby metal rimmed "Silver Seal" wheels that I have used as replacements for plastic wheels. These can sometimes be obtained by buying damaged wagons off ebay. However their flanges are coarser so as I use PECO points with tighter flangeways, I mostly use these on my display cabinet stock which rarely runs on my layout. Perhapse someone else can advise how these wheels run through current Hornby Track 

 

The only word of caution is that the triang plastic is a lot harder and so it was difficult to get the wheels in on some models and a few did not turn that freely. Also I would make sure your models have been in a nice warm room for a while before fitting the wheels as the Triang plastic gets brittle if cold.

[Twintop]

Converseley, I was sold 14 mm disc Hornby wheels for a Tri-ang MK 1 by a dealer, so which is the correct size 12.6 or 14 mm ?

The 14 mm ones fit and run OK. 

[96RAF]

You could try some of the tram mechanism dealers as they have much smaller wheels in 00 scale sizes than you can find in trains without specialist knowledge of Romford and ilk supplier inventories.

 

I have just got some tram max-traction motor bogies for my Corgi/Atlas tram and the small wheels look about right for my breakdown crane.

[LCDR]

Converseley, I was sold 14 mm disc Hornby wheels for a Tri-ang MK 1 by a dealer, so which is the correct size 12.6 or 14 mm ?

The 14 mm ones fit and run OK. 

If they fit and run OK then you have sorted it, and stick with them.

 

Early Triang had split axle wheels with a steel rod down the centre and an open ended axle box.  The old  coaches had smaller wheels than the later ones. However the designs changed over time. So the quoted R numbers R335 and R440 Red & Silver and Green day carriages may have been fitted with these or largeer.

[Tony57]

Hi 

I compared the wheel size om the coaches before I changed them using the 12.6 mm disk wheels. I have used the 14mm size to replace the rear wheels on my Transcontinental Diesels both silver and blue ones as they used the large plastic wheels whilst both transcontinental carriges and trucks use the smaller plastic wheels

I have re wheeled all 5 x 4 car Triang Blue Pallman DMUs including the power car bogies all with 12 . 6 and they sit the same hight as the power car powered bogie.