Jeff Mennell Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 My layout being small (6ft x 3ft ish), I would like some small coaches, however the majority of the locos are BR. So the question is.... does anybody know if there were any BR 4 wheel coaches and if so.....are there any available in OO gauge?? Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choralc Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Also consider the old (Tri-ang) 9" coaches for the smaller layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81F Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I think the GWR still had some on miners trains in South Wales during the late 1940s but I don't know if they survived into BR days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 wheel passenger carriages (and 6 wheelers too) were pretty much extinct on the main line by the end of the 1930s. although plenty had been sold to light railways these too were nationalised in 1948, and BR wasted no time in scrapping them. A few old carriages had been converted to parcels vans and engineer's mess vans. and these survived into the 1960s. The very last 4 wheelers were used in the Burry Port and Gwendraeth Valley railway near Swansea which was closed to passengers in 1953. Although part of GWR and BR this was virtually a colliery line and was primarlly for bringing coal from the collieries to the port. This line had a very restricted gauge and all coaches had their roofs lowered. As an aside, the class 03 diesel shunters allocated to that line by now freight only had the cab roofs lowered too. A lot of branch lines were operated with a single bogie carriage, which was another way to deal with short platforms when loadings were light. A brake composite was usually the type provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mennell Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 Aah....... that would be the reason why there are no Br 4 wheelers then. Are the 9 inch Triangs true to prototype or just their version of a coach that's not true to scale?Thanks very much for all the info folks...... on a learning curve here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofouroloco Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 No reason in the world why the Hornby 4 wheel coaches cannot be repainted into BR livery, I had a mix of GWR, LNER and SR 4 wheelers and resprayed the lot into LMS livery, the 4 wheel coaches are a perfect choice for a layout your size, nothing worse than tail chasing trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mennell Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 I think I may get a couple of 4 wheelers and repaint as you suggest. Green, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doc Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Jeff,The Triang 9" are not particularly accurate, but the non-corridor suburbans look fairly realistic - based on BR Mk1 non-corridor coaches (Bachmann make a more accurate but, naturally, more expensive version). If you want short bogie coaches, then the Hornby ex LNER Gresley and Thompson non-corridor coaches in BR maroon or crimson are superb and very suitable, and they can manage first radius curves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mennell Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 Thanks for the info Doc. Been looking on ebay... crikey it's driving me potty 'cos they all look the same size so I'm never sure if I'm looking at the right thing or not 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doc Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 @Jeff,The coaches to look for are normally described as suburban or non-corridor coaches so include one of these two phrases in your search. Hornby have made two types of Thompson coach over the years. The older type is a long and not very realistic corridor coach in a fake teak appearance - there are lots of these going cheap on ebay but they are not what you are after. You want things like R4576 and R4577 (A or B) - most will be brand new and boxed, so a lot more expensive. Similarly with Gresley coaches - the newest models are what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mennell Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Thanks Doc, I had a look on ebay and see what you mean. The more recent ones are mega expensive and the older ones in crimson have printed windows and so not very realistic. I will keep looking and wait for a bargain or two. Many thanks for the help as it was exactly what I needed. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I would run what you like. All that fally off fancy detailing is to some extent academic as OO is inaccurate as the track gauge is 16.5mm unless you go to EM/P4 finescale 18.83mm. Unless you go finescale 18.83mm back to back track you can never accurately represent the real thing as the models will be running on "narrow gauge" track. OO 16.5mm track is known as "narrow gauge" in the trade. The sleeper space of most mainstream manufactuers track is also 3.5mm HO scale, Peco are at present addressing the sleeper issue I believe at present with some more accurate track work but it will still be narrow gauge 16.5mm OO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buz Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Hi Jeff MennellIf you go down the four wheel coach path also try and find a couple of the VR Z four-wheeled brake van's to go with themNot the ghastly BR repaint blue ones but the orange birdcage one.It has been commented on this forum that it has a slight LNER look to it so is a good candidate for a re-paint./media/tinymce_upload/7c5d4d5737c51c07bddd8517b7d8dfa4.jpgThe one over by the goods shed in this very unrealistic picture the pacers usually don't come out at the same time as the steam hauled stock.regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mennell Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share Posted March 6, 2017 Thanks Buz, I managed to get a couple of crimson Hornby LMS 4 wheelers. They look like BR coaches because of the colour so I'm satisfied with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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