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Are there any plans for the production of a class 92 locomotive?

Has one been made in the past by Hornby or Lima or Joeuf?

Given its international Cross-Chunnel role in what scale/s is going to be made?

This could be 1:87 HO 1:76 OO test case!

A small competitor of yours sadly pulled out of producing it in any scale and concentrating other more sensible for standards markets andd outlines. So it could be a clear market for it Hornby al be it Chinese in production!

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The Class 92 Channel Tunnel Loco was produced by Lima in the 1980's in a many liveries including that of SNCF although in 1/76 scale. The SNCF loco was also sold in France with continental couplers and working lights although it was the 1/76 scale version with a different catalogue number. The tooling was bought by Hornby as part of their buy out and they also produced a version but again to 1/76 scale. It would appear that there is little demand for this loco in HO scale as the SNCF version did not sell well in Europe. Jouef have never produced this item.

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The Class 92 Channel Tunnel Loco was produced by Lima in the 1980's in a many liveries including that of SNCF although in 1/76 scale. The SNCF loco was also sold in France with continental couplers and working lights although it was the 1/76 scale version with a different catalogue number. The tooling was bought by Hornby as part of their buy out and they also produced a version but again to 1/76 scale. It would appear that there is little demand for this loco in HO scale as the SNCF version did not sell well in Europe. Jouef have never produced this item.

 

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The Class 92 Channel Tunnel Loco was produced by Lima in the 1980's in a many liveries including that of SNCF although in 1/76 scale. The SNCF loco was also sold in France with continental couplers and working lights although it was the 1/76 scale version with a different catalogue number. The tooling was bought by Hornby as part of their buy out and they also produced a version but again to 1/76 scale. It would appear that there is little demand for this loco in HO scale as the SNCF version did not sell well in Europe. Jouef have never produced this item.

  Thank you for the reply, so it looks that Lima from Italy produced it, but it must have been in the 90s not 80s as the real thing was produced  for the Chunnel which opened in mid 90s and not the 80s. See: ohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_92 please.

 So it was well in British OO Lima's period rather than the HO period (http://www.limabritishho.co.uk/LBHO-Locomotives.htm).

Certainly it wouldn't have sold well in France if it was at 1:76 as it wouldn't have looked right next to 1:87 stock even if it had the Lima continental couplings.Fact that is not important in these days of NEM362 adaptors.

 As I had found on an Italian forum the answer is to have two scales of the engine for the two markets:

the large UK legacy OO market and everywhere else such as new British newcomers to the hobby and the many overseas buyers spread round the world also in many parts now served by modern International Hornby.

In actual fact, it was ViTrains that small Italian firm founded by some ex-Lima employees that thought about the class 92 but simply shelved the project as they are a small firm unlike Hornby and concentrated on easier markets such as Italian and some French outline trains not affected by the scale issue as the Italian Rivarossi's 1:80 is a long historical issue. Infact RivaHornby is except for some historical tooled models is firmly 1:87.

 So sadly we won't see a class 92 for the time being unless someone with big resorses starts  British HO in parallel to to the large legacy OO market for the rest of the world and new British modellers.

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Hey,

 

Lima and Hornby both made their OWN versions of the Class 92. This was in the later part of the 1990's. Each model had their pros and cons and for their day it was good, however with the passing of time it has now shown it's age, many are available second hand (Hornby and Lima) and some available brand new (Hornby). Depending on your outlook it's quite passable and requires just a bit of detail.

 

The most recent releases have working headlights.

 

Hope this helps.

 

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Jeremiah

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The Class 92 Channel Tunnel Loco was produced by Lima in the 1980's

I'm guessing Lima had a crystal ball to know about a locomotive that commenced assembly and trials in 1993?

 

 The tooling was bought by Hornby as part of their buy out and they also produced a version but again to 1/76 scale.

 

Incorrect, Hornby and Lima both made their own versions of the Class 92, infact both were released around the same time. Hornby might have bought up Lima, but that doesn't necessarily mean that whatever they produced was ex-Lima.

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 Thank you for the replies.  So it looks that it has always been produced in 1:76 scale.  No wonder it did't sell in France even with the SNCF livery!

 May be iy is worth producing it in 1:87 as the OO brigade are have already been catered for.  It could be branded as Hornby, Lima or Jouef or else.  It doesn't matter as they all would come from the same Chinese factory unlike the cancelled ViTrains proposal that would have been made in Italy.  

 It would be a start for the new British HO market made of newcomers to the hobby and spread overseas.

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 Thank you for the replies.  So it looks that it has always been produced in 1:76 scale.  No wonder it did't sell in France even with the SNCF livery!

 May be iy is worth producing it in 1:87 as the OO brigade are have already been catered for.  It could be branded as Hornby, Lima or Jouef or else.  It doesn't matter as they all would come from the same Chinese factory unlike the cancelled ViTrains proposal that would have been made in Italy.  

 It would be a start for the new British HO market made of newcomers to the hobby and spread overseas.

 

I am designing one in HO scale.

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British outline HO has been produced before and didn't exacty sell like hot cakes. I think Hornby would be very wise to avoid it like the plague. Let things settle down for at least a few years. 

   

 Certainly British HO has been produced before and it didn't sell like hot cakes, but there were pitfalls which be learnt from.

Infact one of the Hornby costituents (LIma) did produce it, but the quality was poor orvariable.

One of the problems were the specifically selected models such as Fleischmann's Warship or Lima's class 33 which are limited in area of Britain. 

Nowardays Hornby is a multinational company and there is the market outside Britain which hasn't been exploited.  Unfortunatly the OOverscale 1:76 is a deterrent for overseas buyers to buy British outline and is sadly making British outline a laughing stock. 

 The recent amalgamation of the various brands under a single site is a move in the right direction.

Inevitably there will be duplication of models in 1:87 and 1:76.  1:87 for new entrants to the hobby and overseas buyers (all accustomed to 1:87) and 1:76 for the still large number of UK customers with legacy collections of OOverscale 1:76 from Hornby Dublo and Triang days. 

  

 

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It might be a laughing stock on the continent but we like it very much don't really care what others think. British OO is modelled all over the world. Even if it was HO we couldn't really mix continental and UK stock because the buildings and landscape would be wrong, so we'll leave you to have a good laugh and enjoy our trains  😆

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It might be a laughing stock on the continent but we like it very much don't really care what others think. British OO is modelled all over the world. Even if it was HO we couldn't really mix continental and UK stock because the buildings and landscape would be wrong, so we'll leave you to have a good laugh and enjoy our trains  😆

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