Noahhhhh Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 What is the uncontrolled output on a remote for? I've found it on my remote and was just curious! my best guess is that it is to daisy chain another controller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog RJ Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Your remote what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 As you guess the uncontrolled 12V DC can be used for a second controller, or to drive lights or accessories which will have their own switches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 To me a 'Remote' is something you use for your AV equipment, TV, DVD player, Set-Top-Box etc. What do you mean by 'Remote' in the context of controlling a model railway..If you mean the handset with the knob on it that connects to a wall socket power pack. Then that is a 'controller' not a 'remote'..Controllers have 'uncontrolled auxiliary outputs' on them for powering model railway accessories..Older style controllers had auxiliary outputs that were AC. These were fine for operating points or incandescent bulbs in signals etc. On later controllers, the 'uncontrolled output' tends more often to mean 12 volts DC as a fixed voltage..In the most simplistic terms:.Controlled output - is a variable DC output voltage connected to the track that is varied by turning the speed knob to change the speed of a loco.Uncontrolled output - is a fixed voltage output usually 12 volts DC but can also be 15/16 volts AC for powering accessories..Both the Controlled and the Uncontrolled outputs share the current produced by the main power pack. So, if lots of accessories are powered by the uncontrolled output, then there is less power to operate trains..Some controllers (specific models only) did have a capability to cascade an additional expansion controller knob. But again as stated above, the power of the main power pack is shared. Thus adding an additional expansion controller isn't always a good idea even if it can be done. TIP: As a newbie poster on the forum, just be aware that the 'Blue Button with the White Arrow' is not a 'Reply to this post' button. If you want to reply to any of the posts, scroll down and write your reply in the reply text box at the bottom of the page and click the Green 'Reply' button..See also – further TIPs on how to get the best user experience from this forum.https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/forum/tips-on-using-the-forum/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I'm guessing he means this.... On the back of the H & M 2000 (also on the Duette on the right of the photo - on that side it is a 12v DC connector & on the other side it is a 16v AC) it has 2 Uncontrolled outputs...1 on AC (No 3) & the other DC (No. 4) /media/tinymce_upload/79ca4ed1e32895bde0c0df29b6330683.JPG Like what both LC & Chris says above - so you can connect things like Motorised Turn-table, Signals, Electric Points, lights, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo1707820979 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 JJ Do you know which plugs fit into the Duette on the right of your photo ? And where they are available ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Jimbo,I believe 3mm Banana Plugs may fit the sockets on the Duette.If not 3mm, then 2mm Banana Plugs..Alternatively, the Hornby X8011 crimp terminals might fit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Jimbo - I used to use these... /media/tinymce_upload/1419dcdf6a2ff4678ec2804405e26eb9.JPG which fits nicely into these 'Lever switch' but they can still fit into the Duette but it's not a tight fit thou - but it does work well!!! See photo below... /media/tinymce_upload/3b3bc2689cfe52c857044969741fa9f0.JPG I would go for the pin terminal pack - I think that the 3mm banna plugs are a bit too big!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 They are X8011 crimp terminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo1707820979 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Thankyou JJ and Chris. I have just measured the int. diameter of the H&M sockets and they are c.3.05 mm. I tried a spare X8011 but it is too loose. So it would seem the 3mm banana plug would be the snuggest fit.I have a Duette box but it does not mention the plug size. Do you know if H&M isued an instruction leaflet with the controller ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Jimbo - are you haveing a laugh??? I've had my Duette for something like over I don't know 20 - 30 yrs or something like thank - may be since I was about 8 perhaps!!! Any Leaflets & boxes for it - has loooong gone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ard Lochan Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Ebay item: 282820957505 This guy has the 3 mm banana plugs along with shiploads of other wierd and wonderfull items. I purchased these and they are a perfect fit, Regards, Ard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog RJ Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 This H & M brochure may be of some interest http://www.stable-cottage-potterne.co.uk/HM3000/HM_11thEd.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo1707820979 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Thankyou Ard and Rog.The H&M brochure makes interesting reading. I was surprised they produced so many different items. Only have the Clipper and Duette however -- and very satisfied with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Jimbo - What kind of plugs did you get in the end??? I'd be interested in seeing - A photo please just to see??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo1707820979 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Hi JJ. Rummaging in my draw of cables, scarts etc I found these plugs which fit the Duette perfectly, though I have not yet used them. This saves me buying anything from China - which I am now trying to enforce. I am not sure what these plugs are called. They were used on some audio-visual gear quite a few years ago./media/tinymce_upload/d258fa7743b6a4492c511ee1626c5cec.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo1707820979 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hello Jimy. I have posted a photo of the two plugs. I should however mention (before anyone shoots me down ! 😆 ) that I have removed the 4 outer "flanges" which convey current for the outer wiring and cut that wiring off. So I shall be using the inner wiring, which I have tested for continuity. As you probably know, these plugs are co-axial. The fit to the Duette/Clipper is perfect. And probably not "Made in China" as they were bought 40 years ago !! 😇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Ok Thank you 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Those RCA Phono PlugsThese are Banana Plugs which may also fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 The Banana plugs in Rob's link are 4mm and too big. You need 3mm Banana plugs (I provided a link to 3mm Banana plugs in my earlier reply). This comment not meant for Jimbo who is now sorted, but others that might be reading this in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Thank you Jimbo - They look like 'Jack Plugs' to me & yes for use with Audio / visual, yeah like you said - you might have to remove the outer flanges for it to fit better other wise they might stop the plug from going in!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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