Trublu88 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Specific Hornby releases can span a number of years and undergo changes but still maintain the same catalogue number.is it possible to date them from the design of heir box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Probably not, but whilst you wait for a reply from someone more knowledgable, perhaps you would spend a few minutes reviewing the TIPs in the TIP page link below:.TIP: As a newbie poster on the forum, just be aware that the 'Blue Button with the White Arrow' is not a 'Reply to this post' button. If you want to reply to any of the posts, scroll down and write your reply in the reply text box at the bottom of the page and click the Green 'Reply' button..See also – further TIPs on how to get the best user experience from this forum.https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/forum/tips-on-using-the-forum/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STG Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Not as far as I am aware, although often the running number changes on the item. HornbyGuide (wesbite) is useful for this as it catalogs old loco running numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 When production was in the UK, the instruction leaflet which accompanied the item was usually dated. Other than that, the style of box - Tri-ang, Tri-ang Hornby, Hornby Railways - could give an approximate date if the production run(s) spanned two 'eras', for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Kinda... If your box is lucky enough to have a 'Scale drawing' on the back - that WILL be dated - mine is taken from my 'Fowler Class 4P 4MT BR 2-6-4 No. 42334' R3404...(Bottom right of Photo...) /media/tinymce_upload/7d51adae080da19a10136b941924b050.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Jj - the drawing is dated 2002, the loco is much younger than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Well...some thing is better than nothing!!! - Also I did say 'kinda'!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 When production was in the UK, the instruction leaflet which accompanied the item was usually dated. As stated there is usually a sticky label here in the picture/media/tinymce_upload/00e99e39f94844d570445f88a45fd349.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Or, from even earlier times, an inked stamping giving the R-number and its date of manufacture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyinNC Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 To a large degree, yes. Boxes have changed significantly over the years, but quite easy to discern eras from just looking at the box, at least if you are knowledgeable.Pat Hammond's excellent books clearly show box designs associated with era. The Hornby Collectors Guide web-site in Australia also helps.Any model after 1998 is very easily dated simply by the 4-digit, or recently introduced 5-digit Rxxxx catalogue numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglia998 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 All Hornby "R" references after R.1000, refer to a single product.R.1000 itself was a GWR Mixed Traffic set, introduced in 1997.Do you have the R number? if so then I can help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trublu88 Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 Thank you all so far.Anglia988, thnumber is R2169 - Clan Line. This was produced in 2000 with the running number 35028. Apparently, there were runs from then until 2010 And there seem to be a number of different boxes used. If they all have the same catalogue and running number does this mean the detail is the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 'Clan Line' as a loco has been produced a number of times but just the once as R2169, available between 2000 and 2002 (with an improved smokebox door introduced during that run). Subsequently it has been incorporated in to the Venice-Simplon-Orient Express sets but these carried R1xxx set numbers, Whilst the basic livery could not change, the loco perhaps carried different detailing such as overhead electrification warnings depending upon the period being depicted. And later this year it returns as an individual loco once again as part of the Centenary releases with gold-plated metalwork, as R3824 with a replica of the R2169 box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 All Hornby "R" references after R.1000, refer to a single product.R.1000 itself was a GWR Mixed Traffic set, introduced in 1997.Do you have the R number? if so then I can help you. This loco was purchased by me in 1977 - it has a three digit "R" number - R154 SR 4-6-0 Class N15 – Sir Dinadan – 795 - Cost £12.75 Some models of Clan Line were also DCC Ready and DCC Fitted.Clan Line can only ever have one running number - 35028 - unless it has been dressed up to appear as another M/N Class - which it has done on occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Having done a little more investagative work, I may be able to throw a bit more light with regards the original question.I have just been through the stock cupboard and dug out R2583 Class N15 30453 King Arthur. This model came in the normal red window box, with a slip cover depicting a picture of the loco. On the side of the slip cover there is a small white panel - not a sticker - on which it says " SK101 - 86034 - R2583 - 11-07". Now I recall reading the letters indicate the factory in which the model was made, 11-07 could be November 2007? I bought the model in late 2007/early 2008. It is one of the very few loco's I have not got the original sale receipt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglia998 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 R2169 appears in the Hornby Catalogue for 2000, 2001 and 2002.The next appearance of Clan Line is in 2006, when,along with three Pullman Cars it was part of a special edition for the Save the Children Fund.35028 was used in 2007 as part of a premier set (R.1073) and again in 2012 in set R.1162.Clan Line has since appeared in unrebuilt form with the early BR logo as R.3436 (2016) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Hi Anglia998 - I have four Clan Lines (not the special edition one), but analogue, DCC Ready, Fitted and the unrebuilt version - nice loco. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 BB, I also have the Wrenn one W2238 I bought in 1978, one of the strongest locos in my collection!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 BB, I also have the Wrenn one W2238 I bought in 1978, one of the strongest locos in my collection!! The best loco's out there - you can't beat a re-built Merchant Navy Class with the regulator wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 I think it was just a coincidence that I picked an old (ish) loco when I checked the box which showed 11/07 - I have looked at other boxes, and there are similar groups of figures - but nothing looking like dates at all. So personally, I don't think the box gives the date. I stand to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philden Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I think Hornby have sometimes used a date format like 50/04, which would mean the 50th week of 2004. Would this work with what you've seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buz Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Hi allin theory you can use the box to help date an item in reality not so sureI have purchased a number of second hand Items over the years and second hand no guarantee the item is in its original box doesn't bother me but it does some people.regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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