cooped Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Himaybe this is a question for Admin. The latest Hornby Magazine has a spread on the new NRM Flying Scotsman models. I have pre-ordered the wartime black model. The pictures have the model with smoke deflectors and Hornby magazine says the model will have smoke deflectors 'to reflect the current condition of the locomotive, but of course the current condition is without smoke deflectors and the NRM website says the models will be without smoke deflectors. So which is it?ThanksDan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hornby Magazine has no connection with Hornby Hobbies Ltd. It's a magazine published by Ian Allan. Hornby Magazine have their own forums where you can ask the editor questions.http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?showforum=65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooped Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks Poliss, I know the magazine isn't related to Hornby, but I thought Hornby themselves ought to know how they are making the model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooped Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 I'll try their forum as well. Thanks againDan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stufiley Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi Dan,I think they said at the unveiling at the NRM that the smoke deflectors will be fitted before her line trials in War Time black. But I might not have heard correct as it was quite noisy in the Grand Hall.Stufiley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 While at odds with the picture, the NRM description is clear: "This model will also features a double chimney without smoke deflectors, is DCC ready and comes complete with a limited edition certificate."I suggest that you look at RMweb for more specifics - this was discussed there with what I assume is an "unoffical" comment by someone at the museum. I can't provide a link because it will cause the post to be held.The comment there indicated that despite the pictures, the model would be "deflectorless" to match No. 4472's (err, um, No. 502's) condition in the summer of 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaj Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 If the wartime black model is correct it wll have no smoke deflectors or double chimney.However, From the pictures of the model it shows that it will have smoke deflectors and a double chimney, so it will be a incorrect model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooped Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks, I checked RMweb and it looks like no smoke deflectors for the black version which is fine by me. I have the NRM model with smoke deflectors from a couple of years back and very much looking forward to this one.Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hate to say so but she will be 'wrong', no matter what. Flying Scotsman was built as an A1 and was not rebuilt as an A3 until Jan 1947, when ,no doubt, she was painted GREEN and numbered 103. Wartime black was only carried when she was an A1Also, most of the time she's been running as preserved she has been equally wrong. LNER green as an A3 means number 103, if she carries 4472 then she should be an A1, which she certainly isn't.Having wound up a lot of people with the above facts I'm now off on my holidays while there is mass tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 It should be accurate as a model of how the NRM has turned out 'Flying Scotsman' in 2011.Does it represent 'Flying Scotsman' as it appeared in the early 1940s? Well, no, but that's not what it represents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I agree totally that that is what we should get but a lot of people also expect the real loco is an accurate representation in LNER green as 4472 and now WWII black.It cannot happen.reply Ozexpatriate said:It should be accurate as a model of how the NRM has turned out 'Flying Scotsman' in 2011.Does it represent 'Flying Scotsman' as it appeared in the early 1940s? Well, no, but that's not what it represents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The next repaint should be in blue. Highly unlikely she will run without smoke deflectors as she runs on coal, not Esso Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Postman Prat said:I agree totally that that is what we should get but a lot of people also expect the real loco is an accurate representation in LNER green as 4472 and now WWII black.It cannot happen.Ozexpatriate said:It should be accurate as a model of how the NRM has turned out 'Flying Scotsman' in 2011.Does it represent 'Flying Scotsman' as it appeared in the early 1940s? Well, no, but that's not what it (the model) represents.PP,We're clearly in full agreement on the facts, but I'm not sure I understand your concern.Confusion over Flying Scotsman's appearance is not a new problem. My 1977 Hornby catalogue shows R.855 "LNER Class A3 Flying Scotsman". This model is an A3 with a banjo dome, is in LNER apple green and has the running number 4472.This particular combination: single chimney, banjo dome, A3 smokebox covers, apple green livery plus the 4472 running number, never happened, except in preservation. To represent this locomotive in the late 1940s as an A3 in apple green, only the number 103 would be suitable. I think we agree that the model in question in this thread is an NRM model of a locomotive that the NRM owns in its 2011 condition, not a representation of the way the locomotive appeared in the 1940s. As a museum, it is up to the NRM to make that distinction clear, should this be important to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Boy is this page messed up! Yet another forum bug. I think PP deleted an opening "[" and the page is now a bit lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Even allowing and ignoring that fact that the loco was build as an A1 and outshopped as a GNR engine finished off under the then new LNER with GNR painted on the tender in her first unofficial photo, this was quickly changed I hasten to add for the works photo.Even if we ignore she was an A1 until 1947, even then Flying Scotsman is incorrectly turned out as an A3 of that period. Flying Scotsman never carried that double chimney in LNER days, the blinkers and double chimney and blastpipe were fitted to A3's in BR days. Gresley did fit one A3 with double chimney but not Flying Scotsman.The double chimney and blastpipe are there for modern day mainline running requirements according to what the NRM have told me.The only reasonably accurate livery Flying Scotsman can carry is BR Green with it's double chimney and blinkers. Not sure if it had them in the earlier BR Blue livery, perhaps someone can can confirm or not as to whether it carried BR Blue with blinkers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 You could probably just squeeze the A3 in single chimney form in LNER livery postman as the rebuild was 1947 so the LNER wasn't quite nationalised. It's a probable, but definately not wartime black with double chimney or double chimney with deflectors, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaj Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Can anyone else see the diffrent stile of titels on the posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The son of Triangman said:You could probably just squeeze the A3 in single chimney form in LNER livery postman as the rebuild was 1947 so the LNER wasn't quite nationalised. It's a probable ...Presumably so - as number 103. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I've never known a model loco that gets people wound up as much as the Flying Scotsman.It should have this, it never looked like that, it was never in that condition etc. Maybe we should get a special section for this loco. I don't know why everybody gets so excited by it.All OO locos are wrong in some way, mainly because the wheel back to back is incorrect.Dives behind sand bags.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaj Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 WTD is right,we can't get the models perfect otherwise we would have to include every single detail on the real locomotive which would make them cost more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The Flying Scotsman website says that they recently repainted her temporarily in wartime black. They never said they were going to restore her as an A1. So she's an A3 painted wartime black, which means the model is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Quite right Poliss. How many model or even preserved locos are absolutely correct. My bet is none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The most glaring problem is that Flying Scotsman never carried a double chimney in it's wartime years so it's totally inaccurately preserved as an A3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The double chimney belongs to the British Railways era for this loco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The modle is correct as it represents the loco in it's incorrectly preserved double chimney form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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