Fishmanoz Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Before taking Collin's advice I, right click and Run as Administrator. I think you'll save yourself the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Still no luck. Still "Update Fail" and the controller is still a brick. I shall have to send it to Hornby, but without the power lead as I need it to power the select because the plug on the select's lead is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Still no luck. Still "Update Fail" and the controller is still a brick. I shall have to send it to Hornby, but without the power lead as I need it to power the select because the plug on the select's lead is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Still no luck. Still "Update Fail" and the controller is still a brick. I shall have to send it to Hornby, but without the power lead as I need it to power the select because the plug on the select's lead is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 That works every time I, and I'm sure they have a power lead. You will then be one of a few who have needed to do this. You can find them in older threads on this forum, not seen once since Christmas. We know it is not your operating system that causes the problem, so the suspect is your hardware configuration, or possibly the Bios. As a matter of interest, how old is your computer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanRD Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I have also recently had a lot of problems up-dating my Elite with the Hornby 1.41 program. Eventually after several failures after very carefully following all the instructions very slowly and very carefully, the Elite would no longer boot-up properly and was un-usable. The main problem seems to be that all the Microsoft systems developed after WindowsXP, namely Windows Vista, Windows7 and Windows8 are so paranoid about security, that they will not let you do any changes without a lot of hassle. I normally run my RailMaster and the Elite through a Hewlett Packard laptop computer which uses Windows7, which is normally okay. But this time it screwed-up. Windows7 is a real pain to use because all their programs have far too much stuff on them that most people never need to use. So I tried again using a different Fujitsu laptop computer with Windows7. Forget that !!! It was even worse. The Fujitsu would not even let me download the Hornby update into the Program Files area which I wanted, because I like to keep all my Program Files together, plus details of all updates and when they were done. Each time the downloads just vanished into some unknown un-findable recess of the Fujitsu system. In fact the Fujitsu is so bad and so paranoid about security, that it will not let you do anything without some fatuous blockage appearing or query popping up - "do you really want to do that ?" "Are you sure ?" Thick, thick, thick. We are not kids of two years old. I would not have pressed the action if I did not want to do it ! The Fujitsu is so bad and so long-winded to use, that I have dumped a lot of its unnecessary programs and all games and I never normally connect it to the Internet. I just use it to compose letters and print them and that's it. Never ever buy a Fujitsu laptop with any Windows system designed after good old WindowsXP. Fortunately, I still mostly use my old Microstar mains computer with WindowsXP. So finally, guess what ? First time I tried to download the Hornby Elite update 1.41 using WindowsXP, it worked first time without any hassle at all. So now I am a happy bunny and my Elite is working again with the updates. Microsoft are still regularly downloading their updates and security fixits for WindowsXP and I have not needed any other fancy debug virus hunting programs ever since I first bought it when WindowsXP first came out, Microsoft do it all for you and my old Microstar mains computer has never ever had a fault. Mind you I did initially dump a lot of its programs as well which I would never need, just to make life more simple. I reckon that all the latest Windows Vista, Windows7 and Windows8 programs have far too much unnecessary clutter and other stuff on them and therefore are far less intuitive to use, and that is why a lot of people seem to be having so many difficulties in updating their Elite units. So the moral of this saga is that if at first you don't succeed in downloading your updates to the Elite and it screws-up completely, just try doing it with good old WindowsXP, long may it survive. Happy downloading, Ian R-D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I know it works with XP and I know it works with 7, because I did it with 7. The only trick with a "normal" 7 configuration is that you must run the Installer file by right clicking on it and select Run as Administrator. Also Ian, when you download a file, a box comes up at the bottom of IE asking if you want to Run or Save. Click on the arrow below Save and it gives you the option to Save As. Now you can browse to where you want to put it and do so. In some places you may have to confirm Administrator rights to do so. If you didn't say Save As but just Save, the default place to save it is in C:UsersYour User NameDownloads. You'll find all your downloads that went to the ether in this folder. Glad you got the upgrade done though, that's the important thing. But you didn't achieve it because it only works under XP, just because you found it easier to do so. I agree some things were easier under XP but 7 is certainly more capable than XP for a lot of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 My laptop is a 2 year old Toshiba C660, which has recently had a new 500GB hard drive fitted as the old one broke, so now it has Windows 7 32-bit Professional rather than windows 7 64-bit Home Premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 There certainly shouldn't be any issues with hardware or BIOS configuration in a machine that new to stop the update working, so it will remain a mystery. Again a matter of interest though. How much memory are you using? If more then 2Gbytes, have you noticed any difference in speed in operations that use memory a lot? The point of 64bit versions is that they manage memory better if over 2Gbyte. Oh for the days when DOS was designed to handle 640Kbytes and people thought no one would ever need that much. On second thoughts, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 What about my first 16K Atari? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Sorry Graskie, no luck, you need at least the Commodore 64! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I've got one of those as well, Fishy, plus a 64K Atari 8 bit and an Atari ST. I think I said before that I programmed a machine language game, playable on the Atari 32K machine, which sold 20,000 copies in Europe many years ago. I then wrote it for the Commodore but they didn't want it after all that effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 There you go then, should be a doodle rewriting Railmaster for C64. Then again, might come into the same category as your last one. What about rewriting it for a Mac then, that'll get you some takers for sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterCook Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Hi All, I too had that sinking feeling after trying to install an update to the Elite using a Windows 7 computer. No luck at all, but I had access to an XP machine and it installed without a worry. I tried all the suggestions in this thread but to no avail for trying to install under Windows 7. There has to be something about the Windows 7 software that plays havoc with the installation. Never mind I guess all well so I can now play trains. Thanks Peter C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Glad you got it done Peter, but I'll say again, plenty including myself have got it to work no problem under Windows 7. It's not the operating system, it's something more subtle that is causing the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waztot Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I have just spent 2hrs on phone to hornby service team after having the same problem. I tried to update to 1.42 using a HP laptop and end d up with update fail and a blank elite screen. After trying everything hornby gave up and told me to send it to them. As a last resort I tried the update on my Aldi pc (which also uses win7) and guess what it worked first time. It would appear that the elite updates do not like HP laptop so BE AWARE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 HP Laptop problem is a known issue. Something to do with the USB chip technology used by HP in some of their laptops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_A Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Oh dear. And playing trains is supposed to be fun. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 @MichaelTry the new installer download from Hornby. It works on Win 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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