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LCDR Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 The Brighton Belle is a wonderful idea I look forward to it. How about some ordinary Southern Railway Electric stock to keep it company. A LSWR/SR 3Sub might just be the thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ferret Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 LC&DR, Sir, you have yourself an ally. 3-SUB, 2-NOL, 2-BIL are all so highly desirable if doing a London area layout. The Southern went electric in the 1920s and thus held on to its fascinating collection of Victorian steam locos. I have built two 2-BIL units from kits and am just putting finishing touches to them at the moment. During the second world war route 18 Windsor/Weybridge trains were composed of a 3-SUB for the Windsor portion and a 2-NOL for the Weybridge. Down trains divided at Staines where we lived and I used to watch the process avidly. The shunter with his rubber gloves jumped down off the platform to disconnect the brake hoses, jumper cables and finally the screw coupling. The instant separation was completed, the second driving compartment having been opened up, the compressed air whistle was sounded four times. This was the signal releasing the front portion (3-Sub) which was then driven away to Sunnymeads, Wraysbury, Datchet and Windsor & Eton (Riverside). The junction signal changed over after the points had changed and then the Weybridge portion (2-NOL) departed. How I loved those trains with their slow-running single cylinder Westinghouse compressors chuntering away and their "growling" traction motors. They were reliable, too. A little fall of snow didn't stop them!! I am building two 2-NOL units from scratch but it is a long slow job. So, come on Hornby!! Show willing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6100 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Hi LC&DR and the ferret, love the idea of more Southern electrics , but must make a plea for a 4cor unit. Spent a fair portion of my childhood ( some say I am still in it! ) riding them from Waterloo to Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ferret Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 If you are that desperate for a 4-COR, easy to make kits are available from Phoenix Coaches. The hard bit are the bogies, especially motor bogies. These are available from either Branchlines of Westbury (MB35 for the 2-BIL etc.) or other types for the 4-COR which has a 9ft wheelbase. By spending £12 on the subscription for "The Southern Railways Group" you get a quarterly magazine and newsletter and contact details for Phoenix. Fifty years ago I had a girlfriend. She used to say, "If you can't afford it or it just isn't available, then MAKE it!!" Wise words from a sixteen year old girl!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 LC&DR, I will happily second the request for a 3SUB - in Maunsell olive. LC&DR said:<div class="previousPost">The Brighton Belle is a wonderful idea I look forward to it. How about some ordinary Southern Railway Electric stock to keep it company. A LSWR/SR 3Sub might just be the thing? </div>___________________________________Modelling steam in the west country circa 1930: GWR, SR (ex-LSWR) and S&DJR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6100 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Hi the ferret, I know about the kit but I am afraid I cant build them due ti arthritis and shakey arms. Thankyou for your suggestion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 The Class 71 is an interesting Southern Electric loco. There's a video on 'YooToob' of a Class 71 pulling some Pullman coaches (Southern Electric Class 71 Folkstone Warren). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 The 4Cor and 2Bil as express units fill a particular niche, but the 3Sub is perhaps the most desirable because it was more common than either, every Southern Electric modeller could use them. I am unlikely to buy a 4Cor or 2Bil, but I would almost certainly buy three or four 3Sub units. If I bought a 2Bil I would scrap the body straight away and scratch build a 2Hal. The class 71 is the last significant BR era non-steam locomotive to be available RTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFTK Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 They could do both the cl 71 & 74 as far as i'm aware the only outside differences were the 71's had the pantograph so Hornby could do both as i'm sure they wouldn;t need to change the tooling much for each one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Not so easy, I'm afraid. Comparing the drawings for both classes shows major differences in the arrangement of bodyside grills and windows. This would involve a completely new moulding. On the roof when the pantograph is removed a complete new roof panel is needed to 'fill the gap'. This could perhaps be a clip fit and could also incorporate the roof fan. I would suggest that this idea is a non-starter due to the bodyside differences. RFTK said: They could do both the cl 71 & 74 as far as i'm aware the only outside differences were the 71's had the pantograph so Hornby could do both as i'm sure they wouldn;t need to change the tooling much for each one The light at the end of the tunnel is probably a train coming towards you !PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 This Class 71 in green looks particularly good: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan1960/5565089061/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan1960/5565089061/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted June 21, 2011 Author Share Posted June 21, 2011 They could certainly do both, but the differences between the 71 and 74 went further than the removal of the pantograph. Because a 700 hp diesel electric generator was installed into the 74 conversions and the booster was removed, the whole bodysides were rebuilt to provide access and ventilation. The 71 did not have multiple unit jumpers either. The conversion radically altered the appearance of the rather handsome 71s and in my opinion not for the better. There were many common features but probably not enough to make it simple.RFTK said:They could do both the cl 71 & 74 as far as i'm aware the only outside differences were the 71's had the pantograph so Hornby could do both as i'm sure they wouldn;t need to change the tooling much for each one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 That's what I said over a week ago (more or less!)LC&DR said:They could certainly do both, but the differences between the 71 and 74 went further than the removal of the pantograph. Because a 700 hp diesel electric generator was installed into the 74 conversions and the booster was removed, the whole bodysides were rebuilt to provide access and ventilation. The 71 did not have multiple unit jumpers either. The conversion radically altered the appearance of the rather handsome 71s and in my opinion not for the better. There were many common features but probably not enough to make it simple.RFTK said:They could do both the cl 71 & 74 as far as i'm aware the only outside differences were the 71's had the pantograph so Hornby could do both as i'm sure they wouldn;t need to change the tooling much for each one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NULL1707819439 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 They should make more modern southern electris like the 377 or 444/450 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Why, they're only modern coaches ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 [quote]Why, they're only modern coaches ![/quote] Ah yes, but many people (but not me) like modern coaches. (True! they do!! Can't explain it but they do!!) There are very few trains nowadays that have seperate loco and coaches, and the new 800 series Inter City stock will be multiple units just like the (ugh!) Voyager or Pendolino. If you want to model the current scene you are forced to have multiple units (Pacer, Sprinter, Coradia, Voyager, HSTs, Turbo, Eurostar, Networker, Juniper, Desiro, Electrostar, etc. etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I think I've had or given multiple other things in my past. The only ones I have now are the Midland Pullman and a few DMUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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