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These locos were never included on Service Sheets and judging by comments from Hornby staff, it is not their intention to cover old ground making good such omissions. The nearest sheets I think you will find in the 'Product Support' section are 344 for Spencer and 227 for Oliver.
Hopefully a forum member with the locos can help you but, if not, an Operating & Maintenance Sheet for a similar A4 is listed here. However, there is not yet one for the GWR 14xx although as this is in this year's range as R30319, it may possibly be added at some stage.
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Probably more to do with accounting, keeping Hornby UK and Hornby International revenue separate.
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The chassis block is indeed to all intents and purposes identical for the B12 and the 08 shunter with the automatic uncoupler - see Service Sheets 86A and 114.
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As far as I know, Hornby have only one logistics partner, operating from just one site at Hersden.
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The BK suffix indicates black wheels - as has been said above, the wheels also fit the B12 loco in LNER green and the N15 in Southern olive green for which suppliers tend to use AGN and OGN, respectively.
The Gibson wheels are likely to be a more accurate representation of Hall wheels, but you would need to check their suitability to fit the Hornby chassis in terms of wheel diameter, axle diameter and crank pin type to take the coupling/connecting rods as well as the availability of insulated, non-insulated and semi-flanged wheel types. With Hornby using the same chassis for at least three locomotive, there may well have been compromises. Also, different manufacturers use varying axle sizes, crank pins and methods of electrical pick-up/chassis insulation.
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Same OP, page 3.
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The rims are likely to reseat simply by manual pressure but if you decide that replacement is unavoidable, the wheels you need are 2 each of insulated X964BK, non-insulated X965BK and semi-flanged for centre axle X967BK. These should come ready to fit but if X964 and X967 are missing insulating bushes, add 4 x S8397. (After 46 years, the existing insulating bushes may have degraded and need replacing to avoid the insulated wheels coming in to contact with the chassis block.) Peters Spares have all in stock. As the axles pass through the chassis block, quartering of the new wheels will have to be undertaken on the chassis.
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According to RCTS images, at least the Great Western, London Midland and Southern Railways built side corridor sorting & stowage vans, most of which lasted well in to BR blue/grey days. The LNER vans are not illustrated on the site I found. Conversely, BR vans appear to be only centre-gangwayed. The Tri-ang model has an LMS look to my eyes.
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I believe the medium-width heads were intended to offer compatibility with non-NEM couplings on models taken over from Dapol and those then fitted by Bachmann.
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Bachmann quote their era 5 Mk1 TPO vehicles as being in Post Office red before adopting blue & grey in era 7 and then Royal Mail red with lower bodyside yellow stipes for era 8.
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Again, this wheelset is for the HO Eurostar and there is no guarantee even the drive gear will be common with its 00-scale counterpart.
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@Bee - Most interesting, as your posts always are, but a little (about a century) before my time and that of the 16 ton mineral wagon!
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@dBerriff - Those parts are for the Jouef/Hornby HO-scale Eurostar. Drive bogie wheelsets and even the complete drive bogie for the 00 version have not been available for some while.
@Griswald - I would make your complaint direct to Customer Services at Hornby as they do not routinely monitor forum posts.
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As far as I can recollect, in England there has never been anything (putting aside weights below an ounce) in general imperial measure other than 16 ounces (oz) to the pound, 28 pounds (lb) to the quarter, 4 quarters (qtr) to the hundredweight and 20 hundredweight (cwt) to the ton, plus in human weights 14 lbs to the stone. Thus, 1 ton is 20 x 4 x 28 (2240) lbs. Buses, for example, showed their legal unladen weight such as 8 tons, 4 cwt, 2 qtr.
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The plastic wheelsets with metal tyres are indeed old, particularly those with square axles (20+ years), and the latter were notoriously poor runners. The R8096 solid disc wheelsets are the current standard for coaches taking 12.6mm wheels with the R8097 version intended more for freight stock. The pinpoint axles on the plastic wheelsets often wear down and although your examples appear to be in quite good condition, because of their age the bogie axleboxes may also have sustained wear giving rise to the lateral movement you mention. Also check that the back-to-back measurement between the wheels is no more than 14.5mm for current Hornby track and ideally slightly less for Peco streamline points; as you have both, a compromise setting may have to be by trial and error.
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Whether correct or not I do not know but I have always taken a '16 ton mineral wagon' to indicate a 16 ton load capacity with the (tare) weight of the wagon itself additional to that. In your example, the total gross weight of a correctly fully loaded wagon would be 22 tons 17 cwt.
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R3503 should also be X9289 NEM couplings. Online images show only the tender coupling fitted so that for the loco is likely once again to be in the Assembly Bag (possibly together with other detailing parts for the loco - pipes, steps, etc.). The Operating and Maintenance sheet which accompanies all locos when new may show how they are fitted.
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R3244 is covered on Service Sheet 405 (search on the Product Support section of the Support drop-down menu above for Service Sheets but use the full catalogue number R3244TTS) which shows the need for a R8219 NEM coupling head on the bogie and an X9289 NEM coupling head & pocket on the tender. Class 31 R3262 is not yet covered on a Service Sheet but Sheet 276 for earlier releases quotes X9289. As the R8219 coupling heads are part of the full couplings in pack X9289, one of the latter packs should cover all your needs including R3128 as per your earlier post.
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Specifications may vary, particularly with Flying Scotsman as there are so many different versions. Please advise the R-numbers (e.g. R3128 for your 72xx tank as per previous posts and advice already given). Have you checked the Accessory/Assembly bags that come with the locos: these often contain couplings?
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Same answer as for your Wishlists posts: Summer/Autumn are the website expected dates.
If you are expecting a reply from Hornby, contact them direct - they do not routinely monitor the forum posts.
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If all you need are the coupling heads (hook back to 'fishtail' clips) as on the front pony truck which appears to include a pocket, the pack is R8219. If your loco also needs a pocket on the rear pony truck (in to which the 'fishtails' locate and itself fixes to the mounting block on the loco by means of the triangular moulding at one end - not visible on the Service Sheet), the pack is X9289. Each pack contains 10 items. Hornby's price for R8219 is bordering on the extortionate at £11.99 so it might be worth going for pack X9289 at Lendons @ £2.99 - but note they also have just the heads listed as X9289 but priced at £1.99.
Late thought: there is a coupling head supplied in the "Assembly Bag" that comes with the loco when new but may not have been fitted, including non-factory-fitted detailing such as brake rodding, vacuum pipes, steps, etc. If you then need just one more head or coupling, have a look at the range of Assembly Packs on the New Modellers Shop site (that for the 72xx is not available) which may give you a few more general detailing items at the same time.
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The class 50 coupling cam/mount was modified (X9233 to X9233M) a while back so you need to know which one to purchase if you are going to replace your damaged one. If your loco is R2641 or a higher number, you need the modified version. However, these appear to be sold out at Hornby and the major spares suppliers which may be the reason why the previous owner attempted a repair.
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Yes, the pick-ups need to touch the metallic part of the back of the wheels, usually the rim as the inner part of the wheel is probably plastic, and make sure they stay well away from the spokes. The wheels can move sideways to deal with curves so make sure the pick-ups maintain contact throughout that displacement. If you find you need to reshape any of the pick-ups, do it very gently - they are fragile.
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The image (Service Sheet 391) is revealed by clicking on the icon in the centre of the black area.
New Hornby PO wagon packs
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Looking at the online images and prices, I would say these wagons are to main-range standard with fine detailing and NEM couplings. Whether they meet the other comparators I leave to you, particularly their value to you, but they do appear to be cheaper than similar wagons from Bachmann.