Go_West Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 This forum page looks like its just an extension to the live steam club with come and see an engine on our rolling road??There must be more people out there with more interesting layout and thoughts on this great product how they run there loco's hints and tip on caring, servicing track and so on It would be great and get more people invoved in there own thoughts and ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Hi gowest,Do not knock the 00 Live Steam Club, without our demonstrations at exhibitions and our website, interest in these marvels of engineering would have died a death. We have a new two track layout, which will be on show at NRM Locomotion on the 9th & 10th June and again in Perth on the 23rd and 24th.I am currently building my own exhibition layout for Wales and the West of England Exhibition. This will have three ovals, two for the mainlines and another for refueling and preheating locomotives, so that we can have constant action on the track. I am designing a tpreheating controller and the inventor is working on an instant control controller, The design will be available for club members and it can be seen in operation at NRM Locomotion, Shildon.The rolling roads driver experience is very popular with young childern, who get an opportunity to practice driving a real steam locomotive. One four year old, at Bristol, kept coming back to have ago and was quite an expert by the time his parents dragged him away to go home. gowest said:This forum page looks like its just an extension to the live steam club with come and see an engine on our rolling road??There must be more people out there with more interesting layout and thoughts on this great product how they run there loco's hints and tip on caring, servicing track and so on It would be great and get more people invoved in there own thoughts and ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 It's good that people are trying to keep live steam alive but in answer to the original question "is live steam dead?" The answer has to be yes for now, it's sleeping until Hornby decide to revisit it. Lack of spares are a major issue now and my business spares bins are on the last items with no hope of replacement.I have two A4's out of action in my own collection due to lack of parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperarmint Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 The son of Triangman said:It's good that people are trying to keep live steam alive but in answer to the original question "is live steam dead?" The answer has to be yes for now, it's sleeping until Hornby decide to revisit it. Lack of spares are a major issue now and my business spares bins are on the last items with no hope of replacement.I have two A4's out of action in my own collection due to lack of parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperarmint Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Funny, my local Hornby dealer experiences no problems in obtaining spare parts for my extensive live steam collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Depends on what spares you need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81F Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I think they shot themselves in the foot by not making live steam fully DCC compatible. This was the one thing that stopped me from getting one (well not quite true the two granges and the King Arthur helped). If it ever to be resurected then I think DCC is the only way ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I agree 81F to a point if there was room then DCC compatibility should have been built in. The voltage incompatiblity with normal 12V DC stock was it's major stumbling block. Live steam is dead for now and sleeps await the day Hornby decides to revisit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da4472vid Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 R.I.P LIVE STEAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I must admit that I was originally fascinated with the concept, having experienced using a Mammod steam roller years ago (well, it was my young son's really). I was disappointed that you needed separate track for Hornby because of the the voltage incompatibility. Also, I asked a friend what it was like and mentioned that my very young grandchildren would probably love it. He warned me off, though, because of the possible danger of real steam, especially to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennine.modeller Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Graskie said:I must admit that I was originally fascinated with the concept, having experienced using a Mammod steam roller years ago (well, it was my young son's really). I was disappointed that you needed separate track for Hornby because of the the voltage incompatibility. Also, I asked a friend what it was like and mentioned that my very young grandchildren would probably love it. He warned me off, though, because of the possible danger of real steam, especially to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennine.modeller Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 reply to graskie; you don't need a separate track; just a switching arrangement to select either dc or live steam. You just need to be careful not to mix up live steam and dc loco,s! And you can only operate 1 live steam loco at a time. Also conventional fine gauge wiring is not suitable. It needs to be beefed-up to avoid voltage drop. I have a 16 x 7 foot layout in the loft and live steam does no harm to the structure, as some people have worried it might. As for small children, my dad passed his 'donkey boiler' on to me at about age 4 or 5, with suitable safety warnings, and I'm still here over 60 years later! Kids are brighteer than fearful parents give them credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 The problem with the voltage change is the average guy in the street won't be into electronics today, a neighbour had trouble fitting a power clip let alone switching voltages. You have to take into account who's buying the models, today's buyer wants to take it off the shelf and make it go straight from the box. Different times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go_West Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 [reply]The son of Triangman said:Its good to see some interest on live steam with many comments here ? To switch from standard 12v to 16v live steam only requires a change over switch as for DCC I do not think this to be a change needed with 12v DCC you can run many engines at one time on the same track this would not be a good thing with live steam as one engine takes 6.5 amps so 3 engines on one track will be 20 amps and I think this would be too much for the rails network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Live steam needs looking at again, especially current consumption and voltage being the main stumbling blocks, it needs to fit in with regular items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmichel Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Well, all I can see is that I feel lucky to have acquired various LS locos and controllers. I have no problem with the electronics, so its all fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The son of Triangman said:Live steam needs looking at again, especially current consumption and voltage being the main stumbling blocks, it needs to fit in with regular items.Hi SOT,There is no answer to the ccurrent consumption axs you need the higher ampage to boil the water. Just think sa about your household kettle, which uses 13A at 240v. |If you lower the voltage then you would need to increase the amps.I any case the fun of OO live steam is that you control the locomotive (you have to drive it, like the full size version). DCC would take this away from you and be just another model railway item.The inventor has designed a new controller add-on which give almost instantaneous ccntrol of the locomotive and reduces the time lags and response times. The prototype was offered to H----y but they turned it down. The Club is now developing the idea and it will be available to club members, when it has been fully tested. We are also working on a new combined transformer & controller which will incorporate the new add-on hand held controller.My new exhibition layout will incorporate live steam for the hands-on element and a DCC for the hands-off element, such as shunting carriages and trucks in sidings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 The son of Triangman said:It's good that people are trying to keep live steam alive but in answer to the original question "is live steam dead?" The answer has to be yes for now, it's sleeping until Hornby decide to revisit it. Lack of spares are a major issue now and my business spares bins are on the last items with no hope of replacement.I have two A4's out of action in my own collection due to lack of parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Hi SOT,It looks like H----y are holding on to spares to support their LS service department. This offers a brilliant services at a very good price. If your locomotives are out of service due to lack of spares then you should consider sending them to Margate to get them repaired. I have three locomotives that are playing up, due to being run into the ground at exhibitions and I am taking them to Margate to get them overhauled and repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vs207 Boyne Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Hornby Live Steam is wonderful. You get the feel, smell and sounds of being on a steam shed. I am the very proud owner of all nine live steamers - this includes the Flying Scotsmann set, separate locomotive and the double tender variants. It will return! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napa1985 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 i disagree live steam is not dead, will admit i dont think it took off like hornby was hoping, had the mallard since the came out and the sec i found out the flying scotsman was being done well never been so excited (scotty has always been a fav of mine from a young age, i have 4 inc limited edition) got it sec that came out, think i'll have to make a small live steam layout and get showing in the south of england, i'm all for the OO live steam club aims and objectives fingers crossed for them, i'm a member too :D Thanks for ya time John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napa1985 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Vs207 Boyne said:Hornby Live Steam is wonderful. You get the feel, smell and sounds of being on a steam shed. I am the very proud owner of all nine live steamers - this includes the Flying Scotsmann set, separate locomotive and the double tender variants. It will return!i'm jealous :D lol very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40F Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I have to agree with trainlover23 live is finished. Por sales did for it in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I agree 40F live steam is finished for now. Perhaps Hornby will revisit it again when the economy improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzza Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Live Steam is not dead on my layout.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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