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Converting old ringfield


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Has anybody successfully converted the older type of ringfield that has a brass plate held on by three screws and the brushes retained by small brass clip on caps, not with a plastic brushholder plate and "silver" strips to hold the brushes in place.

 

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left hand brushholder is insulated, but the right hand one is grounded to the plate. The three mounting screws can be replaced with plastic and the plate insulated from the motor body, but the armature shaft still provides a connection.

 

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Brian

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brianH said:

Has anybody successfully converted the older type of ringfield that has a brass plate held on by three screws and the brushes retained by small brass clip on caps, not with a plastic brushholder plate and "silver" strips to hold

the brushes in place.

The left hand brushholder is insulated, but the right hand one is grounded to the plate. The three mounting screws can be replaced with plastic and the plate insulated from the motor body, but the armature shaft still provides

a connection.

Thanks
Brian

Hi Brian, Your basic concept on insulation is correct, but the armature shaft has no electrical connection to the armature wiring.
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The early ringfield is pretty easy to convert. The armature shaft is insulated by the plastic bearing holder in the faceplate and by a washer underneath the face plate. The washer may be worn on your loco giving a connection, I still keep spares for this

 

early motor in stock if that's of any help?

 

Insulating the faceplate from the chassis block is easy with nylon bolts and washers.

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The shaft runs in a brass bearing in the faceplate, hence the problems I was having. What I ended up doing was modifying the faceplate so that both brush holders were insulated from it. Just testing it under DC before going further and converting it.
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Bampy, the Brian Lambert site is certainly a good one.

 

In principle, a DCC conversion is simple - you connect the decoder's red and black wires to the loco pickups and the decoder's orange and grey wires to the motor. The only problem is that if

 

you get a short between either of the red and black wires and either of the orange and grey, the decoder self-destructs. Unfortunately, some of the older locos are made with a common connection between one pickup, the chassis and the motor (it makes the wiring

 

simpler) and if you install a decoder with this arrangement, it destructs. You must first break that pickup/chassis/motor connection. A case in point is some of the old ringfield arrangements and the posts above tell you how to break the connection by using

 

nylon screws etc.

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The armature shaft has no electrical connection to the winding once the brush connection is isolated. The only reason that the armature shaft is electrically connected, (although not part of the conductive path) is that it is electricaly (mechanically)

 

in contact with the chassis. The chassis has to be isolated for DCC operation. The armature windings and slipring are electrically isolated from the shaft.

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