rayarpino Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 The German firms have been doing if for donkeys, so let's have a universal close coupling system on ALL Hornby engines and rolling stock. Engines could have a pocket that would accomodate a bar and hook coupling so nobody is left out. And as for new models, isn't time we had a Stirling single, Henry Oakley and last but not least, a revamped super-detailed model of that most elegant of engines, the Dean Single. Retirement is now long overdue for the old Triang version and its many facelifts. I still have a "been in the wars" Triang version that was converted to run on Märklin (pick-up ski underneath the tender) as a visitor, then converted back to two rail again, still using the old XO motor (though it has had a rewind, remag and new brushes several times, a bit like grandad's original hammer! Greetings to all.Rayarpino (LNER) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyCube Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 All new Hornby stock uses standard NEM pockets (which the tension-lock couplers clip into), so surely you can fit whatever coupling system you fancy into that? It is an international standard after all. If you're suggesting ditching NEM pockets in favour of something else then I don't think there's much chance of that happening I'm afraid!I agree on the Singles locos, but I expect the reason they're being ignored is that they can't be turned out in BR livery, which is the most popular modelling period, far more so than the Big-4 or pre-grouping. Tooling up a new high-detail loco costs hundreds of thousands of pounds these days, and I imagine Hornby don't consider it a worthy enough investment if they think the market will be too small. Perhaps someone will commission one from another manufacture though, as happened with City of Truro. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayarpino Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 SkyCube said:All new Hornby stock uses standard NEM pockets (which the tension-lock couplers clip into), so surely you can fit whatever coupling system you fancy into that? It is an international standard after all. If you're suggesting ditching NEM pockets in favour of something else then I don't think there's much chance of that happening I'm afraid!I agree on the Singles locos, but I expect the reason they're being ignored is that they can't be turned out in BR livery, which is the most popular modelling period, far more so than the Big-4 or pre-grouping. Tooling up a new high-detail loco costs hundreds of thousands of pounds these days, and I imagine Hornby don't consider it a worthy enough investment if they think the market will be too small. Perhaps someone will commission one from another manufacture though, as happened with City of Truro. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayarpino Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 Good morning Skycube,Thank you for your reaction. Shame on me!I hadn't quite noticed. What about the old type goods wagons though, or the Railroad range?I am fully aware of the cost of tooling and would and could not pay the prices those of us who model German steam, for instance. When I mentioned the Stirling single, I was actually thinking of a special NRM edition. In the meantime I am building my own from an old unassembled Kitmaster kit, making my own chassis out of metal. Wheels will be obtained and all the molded bits shaved off to be replaced by the bits and pieces supplied by the trade. More a about this (much) later. Hope you have a lovely sunday.Rayarpino (LNER) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyCube Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Hi RayarpinoIt is true that many older designs, such as those in the Railroad range, do not have NEM pockets, which is unfortunate. You can almost always fit NEM pocket yourself however, even if it does need a bit of hacking and gluing!Nice to hear about your Stirling, come back and post pics when it's done! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I believe the Thomas character 'Emily' should have been based on a Stirling Single, but Hornby have chosen to use the Lord of the Isles as a basis for this instead. This suggests to me that the likelyhood of a Stirling Single from Hornby is low.Singles are a problem in model form to obtain adequate traction. Tri-ang overcame this with Magnadhesion, but modern Nickel Silver track negates the usefulness of this. Traction tyres and lots of weight go part way to solving the problem, but in truth tender drive is probable the better option.There are a number of handsome singles, not least the Midland 'Spinner', and the Caley 123. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 For me 'the most elegant of locomotives' is a toss up between the 'Dean Single' and the Midland 'Spinner'LC&DR said:I believe the Thomas character 'Emily' should have been based on a Stirling Single, but Hornby have chosen to use the Lord of the Isles as a basis for this instead. This suggests to me that the likelyhood of a Stirling Single from Hornby is low.Singles are a problem in model form to obtain adequate traction. Tri-ang overcame this with Magnadhesion, but modern Nickel Silver track negates the usefulness of this. Traction tyres and lots of weight go part way to solving the problem, but in truth tender drive is probable the better option.There are a number of handsome singles, not least the Midland 'Spinner', and the Caley 123. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 And perhaps the SE&CR class D in SE livery!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 A new single would be welcome with 6 wheel tender drive, as has been said loco drive singles lack haulage power mimicing the full sized locos which lacked haulage power due to all power being directed to that single big wheelset. Demand for such a model will play a big part, with so few R-T-R stock to run behind the locos, it will affect demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Anything GC loco wise would be welcome particularly as Hornby now do the venerable Tri-ang-Hornby Coke wagon in GC livery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayarpino Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 Just thinking, but wouldn't it be technically possible to have a system driving the large drivers and the trailing wheels under the footplate at the same time???As I said, just a thought.Rayarpino (LNER) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Don't see why not but then it won't be prototypical, tricky one isn't it.Paul(Jnr)Long live the M&GNJR and GER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Wouldn't be prototypical with a great big electric motor in the boiler!!The son of Triangman said:Don't see why not but then it won't be prototypical, tricky one isn't it.Paul(Jnr)Long live the M&GNJR and GER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyCube Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 or the tender... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 True! The trouble is you get purists that must have a single wheeler driven from it's single wheelset as per the full sized beast, must be a nightmare for Hornby on how to please everyone with single wheelers.I favour either a tender motor or the better option of driving the trailing wheelset as well as the main wheelset.Paul(Jnr)Long live the M&GNJR and GER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 It must be a nightmare for Hornby trying to please as many people as possible, on everything not just Single wheelersThey listen to people who want extra detail and decent modern motors, bring them in and then get castigated because they've 'moved on' rather than remain set in the sixtiesThey probably think it's like marriage - can't win!!!The son of Triangman said:True! The trouble is you get purists that must have a single wheeler driven from it's single wheelset as per the full sized beast, must be a nightmare for Hornby on how to please everyone with single wheelers.I favour either a tender motor or the better option of driving the trailing wheelset as well as the main wheelset.Paul(Jnr)Long live the M&GNJR and GER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 A Large Director would also be useful for Scottish fans, as there was a batch built by the LNER for use in Scotland and carried Scottish names. One of the big Pacific tanks would make a splendid model too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Well the X.05 motor is a better motor in the singles if kept in good fettle, Postman. It has more power, a five pole version would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I agree a large Director, the midland spinner, a brighton atlantic, an A8 tank would be good or a T1, and a GCR Sir Sam Fay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I won't be greedy - just the A8 will do me nicelyThe son of Triangman said:I agree a large Director, the midland spinner, a brighton atlantic, an A8 tank would be good or a T1, and a GCR Sir Sam Fay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Lets not forget the GC/Met Joint. A Metrovick Bo-Bo and some Dreadnought stock to hang behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Yep would need the rolling stock. Thinking about singles how about one of the rather handsome Sacre' 2-2-2 singles of 1882 in ML&SR livery? or the GCR Politt 4-2-2 single with it's 7ft 9" driving wheels. A GC coke wagon is a start that's for sure!Some NB stuff would be good too, maybe even the "Diver", the rather austere and gaunt looking Wheatley 4-4-0 number 224 that took a plunge with the first Tay Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortehoe Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Cat among the pigeons time, how about a Metropolitan tank, say the H or the K class, to my mind very strange coal bunkers, even though my layout is Southern I would buy one and run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 The 'K' tank could be part of a series based upon the SECR 'N' 2-6-0. Woolwich Arsenal built a load of 'N' class after WW1 and sold them eithefr as locomotives or parts to various railways includuing the Southern who bought 50. The Irish Railways bought some, and the Metropolitan did too, but assembled them as tank engines, not unlike the Southern 'W' class 2-6-4T. The 'K's were two cylinder machines, and the 'W;'s had 3. The 'K's eventually transferred to the LNER after 1933 as the M3 class. The SECR also built some 2-6-4T based on the 'N' concept, but with larger wheels. The class was rebuilt to tender engines after No 800 jumped off the line in 1927 and killed a number of passengers. It was concluded that the locomotives could be unstable at speed on indifferent track. These became Southern class 'U' 2-6-0s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortehoe Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Now a W from Hornby would be nice, come to think of it the two L&SWR large tanks would be even better, I can but dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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