PJ_model_trains Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I guess the answer is contact HMRS but I will float it here first then there is member reference for it. My locos are now in Groups with 3 locos in each group. If I go to 'Steam Express Group' and choose a steam loco, set sound etc if the loco to be run has got them then set speed. No problem loco responds as it should. If I go to 'Diesel Express Group', or 'any other group' and do the same the loco responds as it should. Now, if I go back to the Steam Express group the loco still running at the speed initially set but the speed slide indicator is at the bottom. Has any one else had this? Shall I email HMRS? PJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Just remind me, PJ. Are you using an Elite or eLink? If Elite, I'll check my system tonight, see what happens and then let you know, before you email HRMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 Hi Graskie No I use eLink and RailMaster. Many thanks for offering PJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Should be irrelevant Elite or eLink, this in an RM problem. So Graskie, double check with your setup please. I can't at the moment. And PJ, yes email HRMS from within RM so they get your log.txt file to see what you were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jug1938 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Hi guys After creating my layout design I selected it as my default and set the turnouts on this for my preferred start up, prior to clicking the (set points on start up) box. My problem is that on start up after approx 30 seconds sixty per cent change incorrectly. I have also found that even if the box is not ticked the same happens. Has anybody had this problem and found a way to fix it ? Jug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 As the OP has been hi-jacked let me do the same - Set a loco speed in RM then adjust it using the Elite and the RM throttle shows the change. Adjust the throttle in RM and it doesn't reflect on the Elite so when you take control from there the loco speed jumps to the Elite set speed. Surely the two should sync with each other bi-directional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyRailMasterSupport Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 RailMaster and the Elite DCC controller cannot fully synchronise. This is because the Elite was created primarily as a manual control device (knobs and own LCD). A secondary function is connection to a computer. When you turn either Elite knob for a particular loco ID, RailMaster can detect this through the USB port and will increase or decrease the on-screen throttle for that loco, both the small and large controllers. This is because the PC software is more powerful and feature-rich than the Elite's firmware. However, when you control your locos through your computer and RailMaster you have taken the decision to use an external control system and there is nothing in the firmware of the Elite to set the current speed setting of the Elite's own display. This is not a failing in the system. The Elite was never designed for this method of dual operation to update the Elite's display. The same thing applies to loco functions. When operating them through RailMaster using the Elite, the Elite function indicators do not appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 HRMS, any answer to PJ's original totally RM problem? Jug, it would be better to start a new thread to look for an answer to your totally unrelated problem to this thread question. A forum search may help you too as there has been extensive coverage of setting points on startup previously, with solutions related to adjusting point setting delay in the Railmaster.ini file. And you wouldn't be using SEEP point motors by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 Fishmanoz said: HRMS, any answer to PJ's original totally RM problem? Jug, it would be better to start a new thread to look for an answer to your totally unrelated problem to this thread question. A forum search may help you too as there has been extensive coverage of setting points on startup previously, with solutions related to adjusting point setting delay in the Railmaster.ini file. And you wouldn't be using SEEP point motors by any chance? Hi Fishy, many thanks for following through with this. I contacted HRMS lunch time today with both RM problems, through RM, we need to give them time. It is weekend anyway and I have to take my wife to hospital tomorrow 8am, they are admitted her for the day for tests on her hear due to pains she is experiencing. Many thanks to HRMS for yet again replying to items on the forum. This is the encouragement and reassurance everyone needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Trust the wife is OK PJ. Just on HRMS, they seem to work 24/7 so they may well be back to you before Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jug1938 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Fishmanoz said: HRMS, any answer to PJ's original totally RM problem? Jug, it would be better to start a new thread to look for an answer to your totally unrelated problem to this thread question. A forum search may help you too as there has been extensive coverage of setting points on startup previously, with solutions related to adjusting point setting delay in the Railmaster.ini file. And you wouldn't be using SEEP point motors by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jug1938 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Thanks Fishmanoz I should have started a new thread,posted in a hurry. I use Peco point motors connected to DCC and AC buses via Merg accessory decoders. These are already installed and I was trying to set-up the RM layout prior to connecting to the Merg decoders. Does one have to connect the decoders and get them working with RM prior to setting layout points then set the points in start up position in that order?. will troll through previous posts as you suggest. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 So jug, am I right that the points aren't actually connected yet, it's just the layout not setting correctly on startup, not that the points themselves don't set? Can't say I've seen that problem myself, all my points appear correctly on startup. And the order in which RM sets them is the order in which they were put into the layout in the first place. Forgive me if I've misinterpreted what you said and it is actual points not setting. This may be caused by RM trying to set them too quickly before the CDU in your decoders has had time to recharge. This can be solved by setting a longer time between point setting in your Rsilmaster.ini file, and you can also make sure that the installation order is such that it sets only one port of a decoder at a time and then goes to the next decoder, giving more time to recharge before it comes back to set the second port on the first decoder, if you can understand what I mean. I asked about SEEP for this problem as they take more current than others and so a longer recharge time is needed, but that shouldn't be an issue with peco. If you still can't fix it, suggest you email RM Support from within the Help window of RM. They are very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jug1938 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Fishmanoz said: So jug, am I right that the points aren't actually connected yet, it's just the layout not setting correctly on startup, not that the points themselves don't set? Can't say I've seen that problem myself, all my points appear correctly on startup. And the order in which RM sets them is the order in which they were put into the layout in the first place. Forgive me if I've misinterpreted what you said and it is actual points not setting. This may be caused by RM trying to set them too quickly before the CDU in your decoders has had time to recharge. This can be solved by setting a longer time between point setting in your Rsilmaster.ini file, and you can also make sure that the installation order is such that it sets only one port of a decoder at a time and then goes to the next decoder, giving more time to recharge before it comes back to set the second port on the first decoder, if you can understand what I mean. I asked about SEEP for this problem as they take more current than others and so a longer recharge time is needed, but that shouldn't be an issue with peco. If you still can't fix it, suggest you email RM Support from within the Help window of RM. They are very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jug1938 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Hi Fish I have contacted Hornby as you suggest but just to keep you in the picture this is what I have done. The point positions were set up on completion of my track plan and the set points checkbox ticked before saving,this was ok as per the Hornby manual instructions,but as mentioned the point indicators on the plan change incorrectly by themselves after about 30 seconds . RM and eLink are not yet connected to either track or points. The Merg accessory modules where installed, setup, and working with another controller prior to purchasing the RM/eLink. I have connected a spare Merg module with an address of 29,30,31,32 direct to the eLink program sockets and a AC connection from the required AC transformer. On trying to read the module settings of the above module with RM although I have the AC power direct from the transformer to the module there is no DCC power from eLink. I then tested the eLink with a multimeter it showed no power from either track or program sockets although RM and eLink are handshaking. What I am trying to do is ensure the spare module works before taking out each module from the layout and reading and confirming the set up by then pressing the box with the letterbox and downward pointing arrow. The spare module is not faulty. Jug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HFM Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 PJ_model_trains said: I guess the answer is contact HMRS but I will float it here first then there is member reference for it. My locos are now in Groups with 3 locos in each group. If I go to 'Steam Express Group' and choose a steam loco, set sound etc if the loco to be run has got them then set speed. No problem loco responds as it should. If I go to 'Diesel Express Group', or 'any other group' and do the same the loco responds as it should. Now, if I go back to the Steam Express group the loco still running at the speed initially set but the speed slide indicator is at the bottom. Has any one else had this? Shall I email HMRS? PJ PJ Did you get a reply from support or even better a solution as I have the same problem thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 HFM, HRMS has posted the answer on page one of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HFM Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Fishmanoz said: HFM, HRMS has posted the answer on page one of this thread. hi fishman I dont think HRMS answered pj original question they seemed to focus on raf96 post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Oops, you are right. But they did answer and now I'm not sure where. What they said was, groups are designed to be all the locos you use in a session, not as PJ is using them with more then one group used in a session. So yes, throttle settings are lost if you move between groups and they don't see this as being a priority for changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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