sorry, i replied quickly after reading only part of RAF 96,s reply so thanks to every one, i did try putting 8 into cv 8, but it did not work. secondly the decoder must be in the list for it to operate the loco in the first place. and there was no address number initally, but i put 9 in, and that works it. also thanks to Chrissaf , i did not look in the search, but will do now.