Not in Australia, you pre-order and prepay or miss out. The indicated date has blown out considerable so patience may well be a virtue but if it really is 2025 that stretching it. What I wonder is, and I'm obviously not as experienced with the Hornby way, is that all of the fan fare and clouds of steam announcement's it has gone very quiet. Why I asked the question because I don't see anything new or any talk of these locos. I have ordered both the Black 5 and Scotsman and it was published in Jan 22 "Release is anticipated in late 2022"