Forum-1211528 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 /media/tinymce_upload/8e12a8ae560eaed8dbc069fa380ad35a.jpgWhat happened to the tooling for the Triang North British Diesel shunter it would be ideal now to put the body of this loco on the Bagnall shunter underframe so why simply dont Hornby get the tooling out and make the North British Shunter again?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 The similar 'Bagnall' has replaced this. Both are 'freelance'. There never was a North British shunter that looked exactly like this, and the Bagnall is also a work of fiction. The loco that bore this number D2907 had jackshaft drive, a very short wheelbase (6 foot) completely different arrangements of radiator and side doors and grilles. There was no 'toolbox' behind the cab either. It was in fact a bodge to make a different looking loco to fit on the existing steeple cab and Nellie chassis.The cab itself is about the only bit of the model that bore any resemblence to the real loco. Nice model for the time, but hardly in keeping with the requirements of today. Some proper industrial diesels would be better, the Sentinel was a masterstroke, but what about a Ruston or a Hunslet. Or improve the 06 with a more realistic chassis with jackshaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 The NB tooling is close, but it was modified with a big bulge in front of the cab to take the "Can" motor.... So, tool no longer avaialbe as photo I am afraid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Sarah,I have a feeling that this loco superstructure was modified to take a clockwork starter set loco. Same mech as the 'Top Tank'. I am fairly sure we had one, in plain bright blue with red wheels. In fact I may still have it in deep storage. The brake lever came out of the top of the bonnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Hi LC&DR...I was short on time for the last post.....The NB Loco was made in both Clockwork and Electric formats.The Electric version uses the "Nellie" 0-4-0 chassis (with X.04 Motor) as in the first photo.There was also an electric starter set (RS.71) which included a light blue NB shunter with no buffer heads, numbers, etc.The loco is R.654.The body clips on at the back, and is held on by the front coupling, which screws into the plastic body, not the chassis. (The rear coupling is attached to the chassis.)It came with a non lettered Green "R.10NP" Open Wagon and a non lettered "Brown" short brake van "R.16NP".The track was a circle of Super 4 1st Radius curves (8), and a S4 Power Clip.The box was the same as the RS.43 clockwork set, with "RS.71" labels over the printed "RS.43".The instruction leaflet was a dedicated one for the set.Issued from Christmas 1964 until 1966. The retail price was 19/11! (Not quite 20 Shillings. There is nothing new with "price points"! Wink)Over 16,600 were made in 1964.The Clockwork version is R.557 .(Nearly 100,000 made for the RS.43 set for Christmas 1962.)R.559 is the "Main Range" BR Green version D2907. (Over 15,000 made, 1963-1968)Details from Pat Hamonds Rovex History book Vol.1The box artwork is great!http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/rs43.htmlMajor variations from the real NB shunters are the side mounted toolboxes (to clear the front driving wheels), and the box on the rear of the cab (which claers the Nellie chassis mounting. the Nellie chassis is in "backwards" in the NB Shunters.The buffer beam on the real NB shunters is below the cab back sheet...no shelf, and no "infill" around the steps.ReviewMODEL RAILWAY CONSTRUCTOR - MARCH, 1963TRI-ANG 00 North British Diesel-Hydraulic 0-4-0 Shunter 27s 6dANOTHER addition to the rapidly expanding range of proprietary diesel models is this North British Diesel-Hydraulic 0-4-0 Shunter.To criticise at all a complete locomotive that sells at such an absurdly low price seems mean, especially when one remembers that it is aimed at the toy market. However, despite its austere, box-like appearance and the fact that slight stretching has occurred, presumably to get the “Nellie" chassis in, there still remain many of the features of the prototype.At the front end the locomotive has acquired an extended buffer- beam, although for what reason this was done is not apparent, as the metal chassis stops short, and the coupling is mounted on the body ~in or so ahead of the existing lugs on the chassis; it would, therefore, be quite simple to cut the front buffer beam back to size and fit the coupling to the existing mounting. Inexplicable also is the fact that the cab has been moved forward, thus shortening the bonnet and creating a ledge at the rear of the cab whichdoes not exist on the prototype. Whilst this could also be rectified quickly, it does seem a shame that a potentially good and at the same time cheap model has been spoilt by such apparently unnecessary modifications. The additional dummy tool boxes on the footplate are necessary to cover the slightly larger than scale size wheels. The chassis is identical to that used in the “Nellie" and steeplecab electric 0-4-0 locomotives and its performance is very similar. Running light a maximum scale speed of125 m.p.h. was attained. The speed of the prototype locomotives is of course severely restricted. With a load of three Tri-ang B.R. coaches the speed dropped to 110 m.p.h., and with four to 90 m.p.h.; five was just about the maximum comfortable load. Nevertheless it is equally capable of steady, slow shunting speeds of about 5 m.p.h.[photo caption:]Right: Cheapest yet in the range of popular Tri-ang models, this 0-4-0 diesel shunter is based on a North British Locomotive Co. diesel- hydraulic prototype. There is one loco preverved at the SRPS (At Bo'Ness I think.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Now that the 'Bagnall' has taken its place in the Hornby range there seems little justification in bringing this one back as it was. My view is that It would still be better to press for accurate scale model industrial diesel and steam locos for the main range, The Sentinel and Peckett are excellent steps in the right direction but there has to be scope for more. Small but accurate and detailed industrial shunting layouts are ideal for people with limited room at their disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81F Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I think a model of a steam Sentinel would be a good choice. For the same (or similar) chassis there is probably a choice of at least 3 main body types and who knows with a bit more digging someone might find a diesel. They could also be produced in a very simple manner for starter sets or the railroad range.https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9l1ajI3LPcQ/V4-J_vn3bDI/AAAAAAAACwU/81wOQS7P5ZUlRrvxiY4XUYidxrv2VAovACLcB/s1600/Bob%2527s%2BP1010572%2BCropped.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B7bZugeWysg/TfnOLjREWwI/AAAAAAAAAIs/vLIpmCkxQHU/s1600/uk989+Clipped.jpghttps://locoyard.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/south-devon-railway-buckfastleigh-23rd-july-2015-sentinel-0-4-0-locomotive-no-9537-susan-2.jpghttp://d240vprofozpi.cloudfront.net/locos/Y/y3.png Alternativly they might be able to use some mechanical parts from their diesel sentinal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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