Brightstar Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hi All Live Steam Lovers,Hornby will be thinking that interest in Live Steam has disappeared.We need to be more active, tell other users how your layout are progressing, what you woud like to see in the Live Steam range, what locos you have and any problems that have occured or are occuring and how you have solved tham.I will start! I now have four LS locos, 3 off A4s and a double tender A3, I also have four transformers & controllers, one for each loco.I am in the planning stage of building a modular garden layout that will give me a total run of about between 180 and 200 feet. It will consist of a double track with isolated passing loops, a storage yard for coaches and a Locomotive Depot with a turntable and engine sheds. Each track in the storage yard will be isolated, so that only one engine will be running on each track at the same time and the Locomotive Depot will also isolated and run with it's own contoller. Each of the double tracks will have it's own controller. There will be isolated sections joining the two tracks, so that a train can be moved on to the isolated section, power removed from it and power from the other track applied to it. The track for Locos from the Locomotive Depot will also be joined to the inner track by an isolated section of track, to allow for the tranfer of power from the Locomotve Depot Controller to the inner track contoller.The baseboards will made of marine plywood and will be 12" x 4' each. The boards will be supported by 50mm x 25mm treated timber laid on 1 mtr x 300mm x 75mm paving edging slabs.The connection of Power, signalling and point control wiring will be made by 6 way XLR connectors connecting each board to it's neighbour. 32 strand x 0.20mm2 equipment wire will be used for the power bus and dropper wires, these will embedded into an inner grove on the supporting timber, Lighter guage wire will be used for signalling and points. Each board will be attached/bolted to it' neighbouring boards. There will be no physical connection between the track on one board to annother board as power will be carried by the power bus aand droppers. Bolting the sections together will ensure that each section of track align with each other with minimal gaps, i.e almost touching. Power will pass down onside of the boards and signalling and point control on the other, but additional point wires can travel down the power side. This will give me a total of 12 wires 6 in each XLR connector.Buildings and will be removable/portable so that they can be removed for storage. Scenery will br minimal on th boards, but they will be supplemented with miniture shrubs.The baseboards and buildings will be stored in an alarmed garden shed. The locomotivs and coaches and wagons will be stored in my loft or on a siding in my proposed new layout in one of my bedrooms.I am on the lookout for more LS locomotives, at a reasonable price. I purchased 2 A4s and the A3 last year and the 3rd A4 recentlyIt would be very nice if Hornby could recommence production of Live Steam Locomotives and perhab widen the variety of locos they make, to encourage railway modellers to take up and operate the system.How about describing your layout or proposals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go_West Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Brightstar said:Hi All Live Steam Lovers,Hornby will be thinking that interest in Live Steam has disappeared.We need to be more active, tell other users how your layout are progressing, what you woud like to see in the Live Steam range, what locos you have and any problems that have occured or are occuring and how you have solved tham.I will start! I now have four LS locos, 3 off A4s and a double tender A3, I also have four transformers & controllers, one for each loco.I am in the planning stage of building a modular garden layout that will give me a total run of about between 180 and 200 feet. It will consist of a double track with isolated passing loops, a storage yard for coaches and a Locomotive Depot with a turntable and engine sheds. Each track in the storage yard will be isolated, so that only one engine will be running on each track at the same time and the Locomotive Depot will also isolated and run with it's own contoller. Each of the double tracks will have it's own controller. There will be isolated sections joining the two tracks, so that a train can be moved on to the isolated section, power removed from it and power from the other track applied to it. The track for Locos from the Locomotive Depot will also be joined to the inner track by an isolated section of track, to allow for the tranfer of power from the Locomotve Depot Controller to the inner track contoller.The baseboards will made of marine plywood and will be 12" x 4' each. The boards will be supported by 50mm x 25mm treated timber laid on 1 mtr x 300mm x 75mm paving edging slabs.The connection of Power, signalling and point control wiring will be made by 6 way XLR connectors connecting each board to it's neighbour. 32 strand x 0.20mm2 equipment wire will be used for the power bus and dropper wires, these will embedded into an inner grove on the supporting timber, Lighter guage wire will be used for signalling and points. Each board will be attached/bolted to it' neighbouring boards. There will be no physical connection between the track on one board to annother board as power will be carried by the power bus aand droppers. Bolting the sections together will ensure that each section of track align with each other with minimal gaps, i.e almost touching. Power will pass down onside of the boards and signalling and point control on the other, but additional point wires can travel down the power side. This will give me a total of 12 wires 6 in each XLR connector.Buildings and will be removable/portable so that they can be removed for storage. Scenery will br minimal on th boards, but they will be supplemented with miniture shrubs.The baseboards and buildings will be stored in an alarmed garden shed. The locomotivs and coaches and wagons will be stored in my loft or on a siding in my proposed new layout in one of my bedrooms.I am on the lookout for more LS locomotives, at a reasonable price. I purchased 2 A4s and the A3 last year and the 3rd A4 recentlyIt would be very nice if Hornby could recommence production of Live Steam Locomotives and perhab widen the variety of locos they make, to encourage railway modellers to take up and operate the system.How about describing your layout or proposals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go_West Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I eep posting the same reply what a prat.Me not much of a typist but My dad and his dad worked for the LNER so for hornby to pick the fastest steam engine is good so I have some 10 or 12 loco's and 3 controlers one I nackered by running none steam type loco's with it takes out the power FET transistors which you can buy from RS.A very small lay out about 6ft x 8ft so lots of skill in driving or you come off the track I have 2 malards 4 F--/Scot 1 Silver L-- 1 Dwight 1 golder/F--- 1 Schools? 1 West/C----? myu dad alway siad the Southern could never run a railway he will turn in his grave if he say my with SR engines but as the ilfracombe line went by here i thought that the SR did have some nice little engines. well cant add much more could write pages on HLS and things to look out for and valve timing but ive still got the washing up to do and the wifes looking very humppy at the moment. happy steaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaj Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 The reason that not many people post about live steam is because most people don't have any livesteam locomotves because the locomotves and controllers are very exspensive. It is also very complicated and beaks eaisly, more easily than other locomotives so that puts people of.So, alot of people don't actually have live steam locmotives and because of this they are limited to what they know about it and that's why they don't post anything on hear.Jacob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I expect it's more a case of live steamers use live steam forums (fora?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brightstar Posted July 2, 2011 Author Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hi Jacob,Live stesam is not complicated to drive, it just needs practice, on a rolling road or a simulated rolling road, until you get the hang of controlling it. Do this before you put it on the track and you will enjoy the experience and the smell of real live steam.Cost is a problem and I think Hornby got it wrong at the start, but as prices came down they started to sell. The problem now is that there is a cronic shortage of product and prices have risen to un-realistic levels.With regards to the locos being easily broken, I think you will find if you run your DC/DCC locos flat out without coaches and it comes off the track and ends up on the floor after a drop of 2+ feet, they would also break. I think nearly every newcomer to Live Steam has ended up with the loco falling to the floor. As Adrian C has said, no one selling a loco on Ebay is going to tell you that it ended up dropping to the floor on it's first and probably only run.If you can get one and follow the rules for running it in, you will enjoy the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar Posted July 2, 2011 Author Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hi poliss,The trouble as I see it is if we only post on dedicated forums, then Hornby will not know there is demand for the product out in the market place and will never re-start production.We have to use this forum, if we want to get the message over to Hornby Management, thst there is demand for the product. I have been considering buying some Hornby Shares, to put into my SIPP. Then I can attennd the next AGM and ask the Managing Director, when and if production of Live Steam is going to re-start.Jacob was complaining about the price of Live Steam, but have you noticed the latest prices for coaches. For the price of 4 of the latest coaches, I bought my last Live Steam A4.Pity, they did not have any more or I would have bought them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go_West Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Brightstar said:I bought an engine new from a shop and considering the work that goes into these models looked up and found that for £286.99 you can get a Schools St Pauls loco is this not just a plastic kit with an electric motor in it The engine and electronic from China cost more to ship than the price per unit I know which I would buy I only got into this because of live steam to put an electric motor in a steam engine is wrong as you can not call it a steam engine it's a child's toy like any plastic toy with a motor and batteries it's an electric train it runs like an electric train it sound's like an electric train it smell's like an electric train it's an electric train. If it walks like a duck looks like a duck then it's a duck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... poliss Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 As has been said many times before by the forum admin, Hornby management do not read these forums.I'd hardly call my £200.00 Big Boy a childs toy gowest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Brightstar Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 poliss said:As has been said many times before by the forum admin, Hornby management do not read these forums.I'd hardly call my £200.00 Big Boy a childs toy gowest.If what you say about Hornby management not reading these forums is possibly true, but I expect that they get feedback on the content, to help them plan future products, otherwise, what is the purpose of the wishlist forum!Why have the expense of supporting a user forum, if you are going to ignor the contents of the vsarious threads. The forum is used as a way of finding out what owners of Hornby products want, a research tool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Hi BrightstarAre you serious when you say:'I think nearly every newcomer to Live Steam has ended up with the loco falling to the floor'.How can anybody allow a loco to fall to the floor. Are they that difficult to control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... poliss Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 On the front page of these forums you will see "Please complete a comment form to let us know what you would like to see in the range. This is the only way to suggest new products. All ideas are read by the Hornby marketing team."The wishlist section of the forum was created because wishlists were clogging up the general discussion section. The admin has made it quite clear on several occasions that the Hornby management do not read the wishlists on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Brightstar Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 walkingthedog said:Hi BrightstarAre you serious when you say:'I think nearly every newcomer to Live Steam has ended up with the loco falling to the floor'.How can anybody allow a loco to fall to the floor. Are they that difficult to control?The manual that comes with live steam is not very good, nor are the videos on YouTube. The locos are not hard to control, but you need to practice on a rolling road or a mock rolling road (place the tender on the power track and prop up the front or the loco on a match box so that the drive wheels are free to rotate). Practice until you learn the technique of starting slowly, increasing speed gradually and then slowing down the loco and coming to a halt. When you are confident that you can control the loco then put in on the track.What usually happens when a newbe buys a live steam loco is that they put it straight on the track and follow the instructions in the manual. They over do control of the throttle and because there is a delay before the loco moves off, as with a prototype engine. They then add more throttle, thinking this is what is needed. The loco then moves off at full speed (every flick of the throttle increases the amount of steam released into pistons) and comes off at the first bend and if as I suspect, this trial has been carried out on the dining room or kitchen table then the loco ends up on the floor. They try again with similar results, pack up the loco in it's box, store it away until in the end they sell it on Ebay with the comment that it has only been run once or twice, with no mention of the results. Even if the the track is laid on the floor, the loco comes off at such a speed, that this is not a gentle de-railment.If you buy a live steam loco or a set, practice on a rolling road or the alternative offered above before you try a live run on track. Also be aware that buying a secondhand loco or set that has "only been run once or twice", that it may be damaged in some way due to de-railment by an inexperienced user.Driving a Live Steam loco properly, is an experience you will want to repeat time and time again. You drive the train and it responds to your skill in driving it. You have to allow for delays in response to the throttle and plan ahead where you want the loco to stop. There is no emergency stop brake, it is all in your hands.Join the band of dedicated Live Steam Railway Modellers and enjoy the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Sorry Brightstar, I understand your love for the Live Steam locos, but I don't want to fill my house with the smell of steam. I can run my trains for a few minutes any time, no preparation required. I have a Mamod traction engine that I run outside, or drive a real steam engine when I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'm afraid Live Steam is just a 'toy' as well, going by your criteria gowest. Water heated by electricity from the track, not very realistic is it?It doesn't matter what we call our models, as long as we enjoy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... poliss Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I dunno about it not being realistic WTD. Here's a full size steam loco powered by electricity from the track, although technically it goes through the pantograph too. :-)http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/swisselec/swisselc.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I knew there'd be something poliss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Just thinking of an A4 with a pantograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... bocaj Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Brightstar said:Hi Jacob,Live stesam is not complicated to drive, it just needs practice, on a rolling road or a simulated rolling road, until you get the hang of controlling it. Do this before you put it on the track and you will enjoy the experience and the smell of real live steam.Cost is a problem and I think Hornby got it wrong at the start, but as prices came down they started to sell. The problem now is that there is a cronic shortage of product and prices have risen to un-realistic levels.With regards to the locos being easily broken, I think you will find if you run your DC/DCC locos flat out without coaches and it comes off the track and ends up on the floor after a drop of 2+ feet, they would also break. I think nearly every newcomer to Live Steam has ended up with the loco falling to the floor. As Adrian C has said, no one selling a loco on Ebay is going to tell you that it ended up dropping to the floor on it's first and probably only run.If you can get one and follow the rules for running it in, you will enjoy the experience.You are right kind of right about that. I have actually driven a live steam locomotive at an exhibition once and they are not that hard to drive. But they are complicated inside if something breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Eric001 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Well the forum seems to have kicked off and quite lively again. Lots of LS activity still happening and this is a good long string. But why have Hornby changed the forum? Doesn't seem as user friendly as the last one.I've been busy making videos, if anyone cares to look at them please search Jan03696 in Youtube.Welcome back everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... rgmichel Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Well, I have a number of posts in the live steam forum here at Hornby, and I have a great deal of very friendly help from other posters in the forum. There is a dedicated band of Hornby live steam people out there. I think we all say the same thing. Live Steam is fun to run, and it is an enormous shame that Hornby discontinued it efforts in this direction. I have found the locos to be quite robust, although I have a used Dwight D. Eisenhower that I am in the process of repairing. I have no doubt I can repair it and bring it back to useful life. I have never run a live steamer through a drop to the floor. I shudder to think of the consequences of that. The biggest issue right now is the availability of spares. Some of them are still lying around in model shops, but the real nitty gritty parts are harder to obtain. I have posted about my needs elsewhere in here.It is a shame about the prices for the remaining live steam locos. There are quite a few "never run and new" ones out there going for high prices that are only good for those people who want to collect for a profit. This shuts out those of use who really enjoy these locomotives and run them all the time. However, the used ones sell for much less and I believe they can be repaired, and lead a useful and fun life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... rgmichel Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I have looked at Jan03696's YouTube posts, and they are highly recommended. His movies of lives steam locos in action are hard to beat. Why don't you tell us how you made them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Go_West Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 walkingthedog said:Well said your toy train only runs because some one is boiling water and using the steam to make your little train run round the track. my little train works by turning it back to steam and using this to power the train and then as all my years in engineering tells me Mr Watt built steam engines and like a 60 watt light bulb (HIS NAME)your little train is using watts to run so 2 links there then but every boy and even some girls wanted to be an engine driver when I was young, on holidays a Waterloo we would first see the engine and the driver would ask you "Hey son want to come up" and in the cab he would show you the fire and the controls but dont touch things as they are very HOT and these little engines are the same very hot and can not be compared with cold electric and your little engine suits you as you say you can run it straight away like an under ground train but like the real thing these LS take time to get going Hornby need to be complimented on making these small live team engines and the support that they give to us and yes if enough people support the Steam Engine then they just might build us a LMS scot or GWR King which would be great WELL DONE HORNBY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... walkingthedog Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Hi gowestSo what your saying is that my locos are running on steam, it's just being created at a power station.I think Hornby Live Steam is fantastic, I've seen it, used it and hope they start producing it again. It's just not for me, like electric is not for you. Do you think Hornby will ever do live diesel?Hope you enjoy your layout as much as I enjoy mine.GWR King would be great.I wonder why your entry says 'walkingthedog said:' then has what you said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Archived This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Go to topic listing
poliss Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 As has been said many times before by the forum admin, Hornby management do not read these forums.I'd hardly call my £200.00 Big Boy a childs toy gowest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 poliss said:As has been said many times before by the forum admin, Hornby management do not read these forums.I'd hardly call my £200.00 Big Boy a childs toy gowest.If what you say about Hornby management not reading these forums is possibly true, but I expect that they get feedback on the content, to help them plan future products, otherwise, what is the purpose of the wishlist forum!Why have the expense of supporting a user forum, if you are going to ignor the contents of the vsarious threads. The forum is used as a way of finding out what owners of Hornby products want, a research tool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Hi BrightstarAre you serious when you say:'I think nearly every newcomer to Live Steam has ended up with the loco falling to the floor'.How can anybody allow a loco to fall to the floor. Are they that difficult to control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 On the front page of these forums you will see "Please complete a comment form to let us know what you would like to see in the range. This is the only way to suggest new products. All ideas are read by the Hornby marketing team."The wishlist section of the forum was created because wishlists were clogging up the general discussion section. The admin has made it quite clear on several occasions that the Hornby management do not read the wishlists on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 walkingthedog said:Hi BrightstarAre you serious when you say:'I think nearly every newcomer to Live Steam has ended up with the loco falling to the floor'.How can anybody allow a loco to fall to the floor. Are they that difficult to control?The manual that comes with live steam is not very good, nor are the videos on YouTube. The locos are not hard to control, but you need to practice on a rolling road or a mock rolling road (place the tender on the power track and prop up the front or the loco on a match box so that the drive wheels are free to rotate). Practice until you learn the technique of starting slowly, increasing speed gradually and then slowing down the loco and coming to a halt. When you are confident that you can control the loco then put in on the track.What usually happens when a newbe buys a live steam loco is that they put it straight on the track and follow the instructions in the manual. They over do control of the throttle and because there is a delay before the loco moves off, as with a prototype engine. They then add more throttle, thinking this is what is needed. The loco then moves off at full speed (every flick of the throttle increases the amount of steam released into pistons) and comes off at the first bend and if as I suspect, this trial has been carried out on the dining room or kitchen table then the loco ends up on the floor. They try again with similar results, pack up the loco in it's box, store it away until in the end they sell it on Ebay with the comment that it has only been run once or twice, with no mention of the results. Even if the the track is laid on the floor, the loco comes off at such a speed, that this is not a gentle de-railment.If you buy a live steam loco or a set, practice on a rolling road or the alternative offered above before you try a live run on track. Also be aware that buying a secondhand loco or set that has "only been run once or twice", that it may be damaged in some way due to de-railment by an inexperienced user.Driving a Live Steam loco properly, is an experience you will want to repeat time and time again. You drive the train and it responds to your skill in driving it. You have to allow for delays in response to the throttle and plan ahead where you want the loco to stop. There is no emergency stop brake, it is all in your hands.Join the band of dedicated Live Steam Railway Modellers and enjoy the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Sorry Brightstar, I understand your love for the Live Steam locos, but I don't want to fill my house with the smell of steam. I can run my trains for a few minutes any time, no preparation required. I have a Mamod traction engine that I run outside, or drive a real steam engine when I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'm afraid Live Steam is just a 'toy' as well, going by your criteria gowest. Water heated by electricity from the track, not very realistic is it?It doesn't matter what we call our models, as long as we enjoy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I dunno about it not being realistic WTD. Here's a full size steam loco powered by electricity from the track, although technically it goes through the pantograph too. :-)http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/swisselec/swisselc.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I knew there'd be something poliss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Just thinking of an A4 with a pantograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaj Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Brightstar said:Hi Jacob,Live stesam is not complicated to drive, it just needs practice, on a rolling road or a simulated rolling road, until you get the hang of controlling it. Do this before you put it on the track and you will enjoy the experience and the smell of real live steam.Cost is a problem and I think Hornby got it wrong at the start, but as prices came down they started to sell. The problem now is that there is a cronic shortage of product and prices have risen to un-realistic levels.With regards to the locos being easily broken, I think you will find if you run your DC/DCC locos flat out without coaches and it comes off the track and ends up on the floor after a drop of 2+ feet, they would also break. I think nearly every newcomer to Live Steam has ended up with the loco falling to the floor. As Adrian C has said, no one selling a loco on Ebay is going to tell you that it ended up dropping to the floor on it's first and probably only run.If you can get one and follow the rules for running it in, you will enjoy the experience.You are right kind of right about that. I have actually driven a live steam locomotive at an exhibition once and they are not that hard to drive. But they are complicated inside if something breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric001 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Well the forum seems to have kicked off and quite lively again. Lots of LS activity still happening and this is a good long string. But why have Hornby changed the forum? Doesn't seem as user friendly as the last one.I've been busy making videos, if anyone cares to look at them please search Jan03696 in Youtube.Welcome back everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmichel Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Well, I have a number of posts in the live steam forum here at Hornby, and I have a great deal of very friendly help from other posters in the forum. There is a dedicated band of Hornby live steam people out there. I think we all say the same thing. Live Steam is fun to run, and it is an enormous shame that Hornby discontinued it efforts in this direction. I have found the locos to be quite robust, although I have a used Dwight D. Eisenhower that I am in the process of repairing. I have no doubt I can repair it and bring it back to useful life. I have never run a live steamer through a drop to the floor. I shudder to think of the consequences of that. The biggest issue right now is the availability of spares. Some of them are still lying around in model shops, but the real nitty gritty parts are harder to obtain. I have posted about my needs elsewhere in here.It is a shame about the prices for the remaining live steam locos. There are quite a few "never run and new" ones out there going for high prices that are only good for those people who want to collect for a profit. This shuts out those of use who really enjoy these locomotives and run them all the time. However, the used ones sell for much less and I believe they can be repaired, and lead a useful and fun life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmichel Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I have looked at Jan03696's YouTube posts, and they are highly recommended. His movies of lives steam locos in action are hard to beat. Why don't you tell us how you made them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go_West Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 walkingthedog said:Well said your toy train only runs because some one is boiling water and using the steam to make your little train run round the track. my little train works by turning it back to steam and using this to power the train and then as all my years in engineering tells me Mr Watt built steam engines and like a 60 watt light bulb (HIS NAME)your little train is using watts to run so 2 links there then but every boy and even some girls wanted to be an engine driver when I was young, on holidays a Waterloo we would first see the engine and the driver would ask you "Hey son want to come up" and in the cab he would show you the fire and the controls but dont touch things as they are very HOT and these little engines are the same very hot and can not be compared with cold electric and your little engine suits you as you say you can run it straight away like an under ground train but like the real thing these LS take time to get going Hornby need to be complimented on making these small live team engines and the support that they give to us and yes if enough people support the Steam Engine then they just might build us a LMS scot or GWR King which would be great WELL DONE HORNBY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... walkingthedog Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Hi gowestSo what your saying is that my locos are running on steam, it's just being created at a power station.I think Hornby Live Steam is fantastic, I've seen it, used it and hope they start producing it again. It's just not for me, like electric is not for you. Do you think Hornby will ever do live diesel?Hope you enjoy your layout as much as I enjoy mine.GWR King would be great.I wonder why your entry says 'walkingthedog said:' then has what you said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Archived This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.
walkingthedog Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Hi gowestSo what your saying is that my locos are running on steam, it's just being created at a power station.I think Hornby Live Steam is fantastic, I've seen it, used it and hope they start producing it again. It's just not for me, like electric is not for you. Do you think Hornby will ever do live diesel?Hope you enjoy your layout as much as I enjoy mine.GWR King would be great.I wonder why your entry says 'walkingthedog said:' then has what you said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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