Choobacca Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Yet another wishlist for some classic Hornby products.This time it's for a Stanier 8F locomotive with firebox glow... http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_year_details.asp?itemyearid=2282...and some Intercity coaches with interior lighting. Intercity Second Class Coach:http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=479Intercity Brake Coach:http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=480 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaj Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Hi Choobacca,As we discussed in the thread I Created about Extra Details the 8F would be good with a fitted with a firebox glow would be good but most people can do it their selves with a bit of modeling.The Intercity coaches would be good with lights but they would be expensive and probably would not sell that good, if you want them that badly you could fit them yourself.For the Brake Coach, if it were to have lights , again, it would be expensive and would not sell good, it's a good idea though. All of your ideas are good but with a bit of modeling, can be done at home. It would be good for some models to come with them fitted though.Jacob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted August 12, 2011 Author Share Posted August 12, 2011 Thanks Bocaj. I expect a lot of the more experienced modellers could probably modify existing loco's and coaches, though personally, I'd rather buy them with lights already fitted. I'm not too keen on modifying things :)One thing about the 8f and Inter City coaches is that they probably wouldn't be detailed enough for the more serous railway enthusiast though they might make a nice addition to the 'Railroad' range. A kind of 'Railroad Plus' product range with lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Why not fit them with resistors and LED's, resisitors and LED's cost peanuts to buy, a simply rectifier circuit will allow them to work in either direction with power applied. Pickup is easy too, Tri-ang had an elgant solution on their class 31 loco in later years. Wiper pickups sat onto the trailing axles and supplied a seconddary power feed to the motor bogie. One side of each wheelset was insulated tuhs one trailing wheelset picked up power from one rail and the other wheeset picked up power from the other rail. It does increase drag a little but not by much.The modifications are very simple and very easily reversed, a worse you have two tiny tiny holes in each bogie frame where a tiny 10ba watch screw has been fitted, the pickups can be held in place with a tiny 10BA watch screw with pickup wires run through the central bogie pivot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 sorry spelling bit off wrong specs on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaj Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hi Choobacca,I also like things like lights when they come factory fitted. I also like the idea of the 'Railroad Plus' Range, I don't think it would work though as the Idea for the Railroad Range is so younger molders on a budget. The only way Hornby can do this is by not putting much detail into the models, if Railroad models were fitted with lights, it would make them much more expensive. This means that the things that you are suggesting would have to be in the Premium Range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Well for the trade 3mm LED's per 1000 trade are usually 3-5p each, resistors 1p each, rectifier diodes 8p. Wouldn't cost more than a quid to add lights to a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 It could be done for less than a quid per average coach Jacob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 I've seen some pre-wired 18 volt led's that might be suitable.I also thought about using fibre optic cable to carry the light from an LED inside the loco to a lantern on the front but I couldn't find any 'OO' lanterns with clear lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 You can drill out the lamp and lens for fitting a fibre option rod, and use a bit of clear resin the sort used to make water effects on layouts to make the light lens of the lamp. The resin can be dyed with red food colouring or a proper resin dye.There are some proper working 00 scale lamps out there but they are very very expensive around £40 for 6 so mortage money, they use micro LED's with fine wires attached inserted into the lamps. However if you have the yesight a fine tipped temperature controlled soldering iron and endless patience it is possible to make 6 working OO scale lamps using micro LED's for less that a £1.70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 fibre optic rod, sorry did a typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaj Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Well if you can fit lights for a few pounds maybe lights will work in the Railroad Range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 It's very feasable, the circuitry is simple and picukp arrangement is very easy to do. LED's and resistors, and Rectifier Diodes cost peanuts. Add project board to make the circuitry, all pretty easy for the owner to do. Should also be very easy for the big H to fit lights and very cheap too. A typical coach can be fitted for around £1-£1.70, depending on how many LED's you want to fit. Tri-ang fine scale pickup wheels fitted to the class 37 and 35's which have one plastic wheel and one metal wheel to each wheelset are still readily available and you can get new similar wheels. Contact strip is easy to fine as are fine watch screws. All very very easy to do. Hornby should be able to fit lights for peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazy Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 yes i agree it all could be done for peanuts but i bet they put £10-£15 pound on top. cost me £1.55 to fit a fire box light to my 8f. and £25 to fit lights to my duchess. i try your idear for loco lights on my two scots see how i get on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I offered the chappie in Maplins a bag of Aldi peanuts for some LEDs, For some strange reason he threw me out onto the street. Would I have had more success if I'd offered him KP nuts do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I converted some 1970's Ringfield powered Diesel locos over to DCC and fibre optic lighting for a friend a while ago they looked great all lit up. So it's definately worth doing. The fibre optic rod was fitted to the LED's either in a small impression made into the LED top in the case of single strand or in the case of a double or triple butted up to the LED Top and resin fixed and then sleeved with heatshrink. I also use Bi-colour RED/White LEd's so that direction of travel can show either RED or White in the same light lens opening on the loco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 poliss said:I offered the chappie in Maplins a bag of Aldi peanuts for some LEDs, For some strange reason he threw me out onto the street. Would I have had more success if I'd offered him KP nuts do you think?You should have tried Doritos. Mmmm, Doritos :-)The fibre optic idea sounds like the way to go, at least with small lanterns on steam locomotives. Perhaps manufacturers could start making DCC decoders with an enclosed LED on the circuit board that would allow fibre optic cables to carry light to the firebox and lanterns. It might even be possible to create different headcodes just by re-arranging the lanterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Definately worth a go for all you guys out there. You can also get micro LED's which are very useful too. There are places on the internet selling steam loco headcode lamps with micro LED's for around £40 for 6 lamps which is very expensive, as you can do the same thing for very little cash with patience and a good fine tipped temperature controlled soldering iron and some ordinary plastic loco headcode lamps drilled out to accept micro LED's.Fibre optics are great they give an old Diesel or overhead electric loco a new lease of life. Just converted a 1978 Hornby class 25 to DCC and the owner wanted direction of travel lighting with all moulded lamps working. Looks fab now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the 8F model had a realistic firebox or was it just an orange bulb in the cab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazy Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 the fire box door was moluded open and red clear plastic covering the hole and the bulb inside the fire box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 fazy said:the fire box door was moluded open and red clear plastic covering the hole and the bulb inside the fire boxI bet it looks great in action. Thanks Fazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazy Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 now if i get this right there should be a link so you can see it working and if not well you won't!!!http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/32145-photo0283/http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/32144-photo0284/now if you can see the photos do note there is now red claer plastic as this is a newer loco which i fitted with a led my self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Great pictures Fazy. It's surprising how an LED light bulb can transform a loco into something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choobacca Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 I found a nice photo of a Stanier 8F in War Department livery:http://www.flickr.com/photos/galahad/78038470/There's another one in the "Preserved Collection" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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