Ruffnut Thorston

I see you also have the Fog Signal.....do you use caps in it? 😉

Good to hear of a success! 😆

It seems that you may have a short circuit somewhere on the loco. The contact that rubs on the front driving wheel is only for the lamp, and is a push-fit into the cylinder block, where it is in contact with the larger metal contact that touches the bottom of the bulb. It should pull out pretty easily, with care. It is possible that there is something bridging between the bulb contacts and the chassis, but only when the weight is on the wheels... The Duchess of Sutherland was the only model fitted with the working lights, though most of the first type of body and chassis can be fitted with the parts. It is strange though, that the headcode chosen is two lights, one in the centre, and one over the Left buffer (looking at the smokebox) is not "Express Passenger", Class A (Later Class 1) which is what most people would use the model to haul! In fact it is Class C (Later Class 3) Parcels, fish, fruit, horse, livestock, meat, milk, pigeon or perishable train composed entirely of vehicles conforming to coaching stock requiremnets.Express freight, livestock perishable or ballast train pipe fitted throughout with the automatic brake opertive on not less than half of the vehicles.Empty coaching stock train (not specially authorised to carry "A" headcode) or empty rail motor train. http://www.uksteam.info/gwr/hcodes.htm

The Brown and Cream 142s were named "Skippers"..... The West Country branches they were sent to had some sharp curves, and the long wheelbase 142s did not like them... "Squealers" was a better name! The flange and rail wear soon caused the "Skippers" to skip off to pastures new! 😉

Dd not Ks (Keyser) make a model of the L&MR 'Lion' in the 'Milestones' Series? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/63668-lion-kit-in-4mm-scale/

From the Summer 2018 (Issue 116) 'The Collector' Magazine... Both the 'Club Exclusive' H Class and the Club 2018 GWR 101 Loco 'will now be arriving in January 2019. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.' A very prototypical 'late running' announcement. Our local station announcer couldn't have done it better! 😉

Have a look at the motor. There is an insulating sleeve on one side of the metal spring that holds the brushes in place. This SHOULD be on the right (Starboard) side of the motor looking rrom the magnet towards the brushes and worm. The feed wire from the pick-ups should be wired to a brass tag, that fits on the outside of the right hand brush, held in place by the brush (it is shaped to fit) and insulated side of the spring. The wheels with black plastic bushes should be on the same side of the chassis as the pick-up strios. Hope this helps...

Looking at the number plate, 18 it seems that the next one will be number 19.... There was only the one , number 101, and that was mainly confined to Swindon works.... For me, wagons are more attractive....and can be re-painted easily (Sacrilage! 😉 ) if not to your liking....

Hi LC&DR. We have some Wrenn fibre based track, and points (the points are still on the backing boards!). Also some Trix Twin 3-railed fibre based track. The Trix Fibre track would make a good test track (but a bit sharp radius) as it coud be wired for two rail, Trix Twin, or straight 3-rail. I do seem to remember hearing that this had indeed been done by someone.....

Thanks LC&DR... That i sthe one type of track that I have not seen "in the flesh", but I was aware of it! 😉 At least I got the Fibre Sleepers right?

Very interesting. I have just had a look at the No.5 Catalogue. This is the one with the VR type Double Ended Diesel Loco.... I would say that the track is not Tri-ang....that is taking th eillustration as factual, and not re-touched? Some other track systems at this time, while Tri-ang were using Series 3, had fibre sleepers, with the rails attached with various types of clips.... Graham Farish Formoway, etc.?

For accuracy, it is not hard to swap tender tops! I think Hornby simply used the existing, in production, version of the tender, as used with a Britannia Loco....with the early crest.... I still like the early logo best! 😉 EDIT: I shoud have read the thread first! 😳

The "real" Railway Children coaches would be something that existed on the KWVR at the time the film was made.... The "Old Gentlemans Coach" was, I believe, the Directors coach of the GNR?...certainly a varnished Teak directors coach of a company that became part of the LNER!

Interesting.... It is a pity no one has made the Green tender loco.... I think the "real" one was the Lancashire and Yorkshire 0-6-0... One day I may re-paint a Tri-ang Hornby "Deeley" 3f 0-6-0.... It is about as accurate as the Jinty instead of a Pannier Tank! I am also planning to re-paint a Hornby R.041 type Pannier tank....OK, the cab is wrong! 😉 (The "real" and BM GNSR Pannier Tank has the earlier type cab!)

If it did exist....it would have to be N Gauge. Dapol have never made an OO Pannier Tank I believe... Only N, and now O Gauges! 😉

I too haven't found anything about a Dapol GNSR Pannier tank either....so far! 😉 The Tri-ang Hornby / Hornby Railways "Railway Children" Set rolling stock at Ffrwd Locks... /media/tinymce_upload/ffc1391037add9eabd2123faf90c15b0.JPG

Having just answered a question on another forum, I thjought this information may be of use... Most Margate made Hornby Ringfield Motors use the non traction-tyred wheels as a pick-up, direct, via the axles, to the chassis. There are three main methods that the chassis block is connected to the motor brush. 1 The better method uses a short "Bridge Wire" with two different spade connections. The larger spade, usually silver in colour, is attached to a small rectangular protusion on the "back" side of the motor block. The smaller spade, usually brass colour, goes onto the "Tang" ofthe brush holder, in the same way as the wire from the tender drawbar pin goes to the "front" brush holder tang. 2 Another method relies on a round "pin" on the motor black bearing on the back of the brush holder, under a plastic tab on th efront plate. This pin is mazak, and the end may tarnish, making the connection poor at best. Sometimes the pin may even break off! If the plastic tab breaks off, not un-common, then the connection is also compromised. The same can be caused by the front plate not being a good fit....sometimes the fixing lugs can get broken during removal and re-fitting for servicing. The best thing to do with this type of Ringfield Motor is to fit a Bridge Wire, as the fixing lugs are still present on the motor block. To fit the spade to the braush holder, it may be neccessary to remove the plastic tab to allow the spade onto the tang fully. 3 The most recent type of Margate Made Ringfield Motor uses the screw holding the brush holder arm to the front plate to connect the brush holder arm to the chassis block. The "back" brush holder arm screw is longer than the "front" screw, and actually goes through the front plate, and threads into the chassis block, making the circuit. The "Front" brush holder screw is short enough to thread into the plastic front plate, and NOT touch the chassis block. If this screw is too long, it can cause a short circuit. To convert these motors to DCC, it is neccessary to either use a plastic screw, or otherwise change the back brush holder arm fixing so as to isolate that brush holder arm from the chassis block. Some China Made Ringfield Motors have pick-up wipers for both sets of tender wheels, wired directly to the revelant brush holder arms. These are the type used in DCC Ready and Fitted Ringfield Motor models.

Hi Buz... As the Tri-ang Hornby "Old Gentleman's Coach" is the Old Time USA Coach in "Teak", I would suggest looking for a "normal" one of these (Though they can be pricey!) or maybe make something up out of Plastic card based on an original? It is a shame that the Tri-ang Original Balconies are solid, with the "ironwork" represented by moulded on detail... We have the GN&SR "Jinty", with various quantities of the special coaches, the GWR Celestory Composite, and the Teak OGC.... The Tri-ang Hornby Set also included the "Station Halt" set...and we have that as well. THe "Blood & Custard" GWR Celestory from the Hornby Set with the Blue B12 ("East Anglian") is a good brake coach to use with the set....so the Guard has somwhere to put the setter in! Another pity is that the Tri-ang Hornby Pannier Tank Loco was made just too late to be used instead of the Jinty.... We may well do a paint job on one! 😉 The Bachmann set is lovely....but too pricey for us so far!

Possibly the axles? The split axle wheelsets are a weak point of a lot of Mainline and early Bachmann locos.... Peter's Spares has been marketing some replacement parts......I have no experience of these parts....

Synchrosmoke units. (Earlier known by various spellings, Synkro-smoke, etc...) This was Tri-ang Railways own design, and was designed after seeing a Mr. Fry of Ireland's smoking locomotives. He wanted a good up-front payment to disclose his design, so the "Men from Margate" went away and came up with their own design. This used a cast metal box, with a piston in a cylinder to push air into the box driven by a gear wheel, by the motor worm. The box contained a wadding material, and on top of this was a heating element, that looks a little like a fuse, with a metal conducting cap on each end. The element (X.549) was wired in parallel to the loco motor, so the amount of voltage, and therefore heat was governed by the speed control setting. The forced air expelled the smoke in "puffs" that were synchronised to the driving wheel speed by the gear drive. Complicated to describe, but it works! There were two main "Box" castings" Long" and "Short". The long unit was used in the 4-6-2 locos (Princess, Britannia, Battle Of Britain, and the R.56 TC "Baltic Tank 4-6-4.) with different holes in the lid for the different chimney positions. Some lids have the un-used holes blanked off by rubber type plugs. Others only have the used hole drilled out. The short unit was used in the tank locos, and the R.150S B12 4-6-0 tender loco, with different lids and extensions. The B12 lid has a “spout” to line up with the chimney. The later R.51S GWR Pannier Tank loco has a lid with a very short spout to line up with the chimney. The largest extension was that used with the short box in the R.59S BR Class 3MT 2-6-2 Tank loco, and later in the R.653S ”German” version of the “Continental” 2-6-2 Tank Locomotive, which used the same chassis as the BR loco.

Tri-ang Railways introduced "Smoking" steam locomotives in 1961. These used the West German "Seuthe" patented system. Seuthe are still trading today, and make a wide variety of smoke units for locomotives, and buildings, etc. They also still make the Smoke Oil... The Seuthe type unit is a brass tube, with a vertical heating element around a "smoke pipe". A wire from the bottom of the element was wired in parallel to the loco motor, so the amount of voltage, and therefore heat was governed by the speed control setting.The smoke in was expelled by the smoke pipe in "puffs" that were not synchronised to the driving wheel speed, and continued for a short time after the loco was stopped. In 1964, the Seuthe units were mainly replaced by the introduction of Synchrosmoke units. (Earlier known by various spellings, Synkro-smoke, etc...) The exceptions were the locomotives where the Synchrosmoke units could not be fitted. Lord of The Isles and the Class L1 4-4-0 were examples, as was Davey Crockett... The smoke oil has come in a variety of plastic tubes and sachets over the years. The last Hornby issue I have seen was a small plastic "pot" with a screw lid (R.8111). Until the Hornby "Pot", the various containers of Smoke Oil had the part number R.521, including the sachets sold by Hornby to go with the later Smoke fitted locos that use a plastic smoke unit, including the 4-4-0s (SR Schools, Midland Compound, GWR County, and LNER Shire/ Hunt). These plastic units are prone to overheat if run without oil for any length of time... These used a syringe with a plastic spout to transfer the oil to the unit. The first Seuthe type used a real glass "pipette" as a filling "funnel", later a small plastic funnel was supplied. These came in various colour plastic. Most of the smoke oil container tubes were marked, in various colours:- “Tri-ang Seuthe Smoke Pat. Made in W. Germany.” The "Old-time" Davey Crocket with the TC R.54 Pacifics.... /media/tinymce_upload/65c43056db0846567ba9ea0610177954.jpg

Hi Sarah Only yesterday I was thinking that you were pulling the old 'a lady never reveals her age' bit. From the info you've given your maths are right - 55 sometime this year. I wish I was that young (knowing what I know now) 😆 Hi PP.... Well, I did think about it....but it seemed only fair to join in! 😉

OK.... I was "introduced" at about the same time as the Brush Type 4 (Class 47). "Evening Star" was working on the "Pines Experess" over the Somerset & Dorset at the time! 😉 That makes me 50-something, I think! 😛

Photos coming... Hornby Second Tender and Coupling arrangement.... Uploaded last night....just waiting for moderation, hopefully before they knock off for the weekend? 😉

Hornby (Margate) LNER Green motorised tender with "Second Tender"....unpainted... Side View... /media/tinymce_upload/fecef38f8ca85c1bd9a933eb52c9c343.jpg Top View.... /media/tinymce_upload/864124b8724705e24b3755b65c04a63b.jpg Front View... /media/tinymce_upload/fa7ac1f79039d34fce45335305e4c245.jpg Back View...Second Tender... /media/tinymce_upload/8b3739980ae44bfc1189ebc6cd258094.jpg The ellusive Special Coupling...L7349... /media/tinymce_upload/be3d920a474b9cfe3f724d931d6ca7c9.jpg /media/tinymce_upload/3805abca344f6c5e20bb667cc0b5278e.jpg Models with a Second Tender... R.075 and R.114. LNER as Preserved (1960s) 1993. R.098 BR Blue/Grey Flying Scotsman Services? 1995. R.2953 USA 1968 Edition...LNER Green....2011 R.3103 BR A4 "Bittern" as preserved BR Green. 2012 2013