Many thanks for the reply. I have always deleted the controllers before I switch phones, I have also tried a factory reset but all with the same result it refuses to connect both controllers with the Mesh option. However this time, and with the new Google Pixel phone, I tried to connect only the HM 6000 (with the 6010 powered off), it did appear to connect and then allowed the firmware update screen Unfortunately it then reported that the Firmware was invalid and wouldn't proceed. Also when I then tried to add the 6010 it was not recognized via Mesh. Changed back to BLE and all worked again, albeit without the ability to update Firmware. The installed firmware is 1.8.2 on the HM6000 and 1.6.3 on the HM 6010. Also I don't know what you mean by "you need more than one node to form a mesh" - what is a node? (please excuse my ignorance!) Thanks again