Modelnut19 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I guess I will have to see what the liveries turn out to be but I suspect the "promotional" version will be grey with white lining. I am trying to decide whether this livery or what I assume will be the more traditional green LNER livery will be better. Does anyone know if the original W1 was always grey until it was rebuilt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Look at this. Scroll down to 'Livery'. https://www.lner.info/locos/W/w1.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Hi At no time have I ever seen a mention of the 'Hush-Hush' being any colour other than Battleship Grey. This is a difficult colour to be certain about - the navy had two (at least) shades of this colour. Home Fleet grey was significantly darker than the grey used in the Mediteranium and West Indies which is the colour used today. Don't ask where I saw it (can't remember) but I have seen a superb model of the loco as built but it was mid-grey, similar to Humbrol 96. After rebuilding the loco followed the colours laid down for A4 - Garter Blue etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Excellent info in the link from WtD. Mention is made of 'dark battleship grey', so I suppose that answers the 'which of the 2 battleship greys was it?' question. As far as the 'promotional' livery is concerned, this apparently only existed on cigarette packet cards or the era, and I've seen reference being made to a grey front, with the rest in lined 'Doncaster green'. Naming of 'British Enterprise' again was proposed, but never happened. I've also read that subsequent to the re-re-build into the A4-esque locomotive, into B.R. days, it was also proposed to name it 'Pegasus', never fulfilled, but INTERESTING! Fantastic locomotive - original and rebuilt.I've ordered ... erm ... 2 - original and final rebuilt B.R. one.Roll on next year ... and possibly a bit, but it'll be worth the wait. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 The fact it's named Dark Battleship Grey proves nothing - does anyone remember seeing it in grey? Reminds me of a couple of guys I saw at Didcot about 5 years ago having a row about the shade of 'Sand' applied to the 43xx Mogul. No-one alive who remembered that! Cigarette box colours are no basis for model colours 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 PP, the point I was making was your mention of '2 (at least) shades of grey.The hint was of it being the darker of your 2 greys - but as you mention, there may have been more ...Is there an 'official record' with a reliable shade referencing? Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Not sure if this helps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Big help ... grey in a b/w movie! Joking aside, it did look quite dark.Loving the contrast with the stainless bands as well. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Curiously there have been accounts of Battleship Grey being used for many BR 16 ton Mineral Wagons built after WW2 . Now I have seen a lot of these wagons in my time, but the vast majority which still had significant amounts of paint still clinging to them (not a particularly large sample) were a very light grey almost white with a hint of green or blue in the pigment. Colour is a remarkably difficult topic to resolve. I think it is fairly certain that the 'Hush-Hush' was grey (possibly 'Photographic Grey' as used by workshops for the first photograph?) but how dark is not easy to determine. The Silver A4s too had parts picked out in grey and this was a fairly dark shade. The subject is a minefield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Can't wait to put it up alongside my P2 - that'll look great. I was tempted with the 'publicity' option, but thought I'd 'keep it real'. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 As an aside... The Shropshire Union Railways and Canal Company (controlled by the London & North Western Railway Company) purchased a large quantity of Battleship Grey paint, probably from the Admiralty, after the Great War. Amongst other things, it was used to paint the balance beams of the canal lock gates. The parts "Traditionally" painted black were painted grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 ...Is there an 'official record' with a reliable shade referencing? Hi Al I'm older than LC&DR, and WTD and even I haven't seen the colour. 'Official Ruling' is PP is never wrong 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Hi Sarah We are confused enough talking of trains without having canals added to the mix.! 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 HI LC Quote....The subject is a minefield! Her Majesties navy taught me about mines and minesweeping but it doesn't help here 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I bow to your superior knowledge 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Oh don't say that LC. I'm meeting him later this month, I'll never hear the end of it. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelnut19 Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 I emailed Hornby this week to clarify exactly what the livery was for each three.The next day they replied by saying that R3840 and R3841 will be Battleship Grey, as we all seem to agree they would be, but that R3842 will be apple green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I also got a reply in relation to bodies, and there will be ONE original style bodyshell. I've pre-ordered an un-named original and a rebuilt BR one. One of my all-time 'curiosity' locomotives - like the P2 and 6202 Turbomotive .... Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Grey is a remarkable colour, alledgedly there are 50 shades, whereas there were only 30 shades of green. 😆 And remember cats all change to grey at night! 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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