PAB56 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Hi!Does anyone know of a compliation of the mail coaches made over the years by Hornby, Hornby Dublo, TriAng, etc? I am trying to assemble a Great Train Robbery consist to run at one of our shows. (I'm a member of the European Train Enthusiasts, Eastern New England chapter here in the States).I've been lucky enough to acquire a Lima class 40 lok and several mail coaches made by the mfrs mentioned above. (A good friend in England has helped me!) Some of them did not come with the original box, and I'm trying to assign model numbers to the those. When I try a Google search, for example Hornby R412, several different coaches come up. It's a bit confusing.Thx in advance for your help :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JJ73 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Hello & Welcome to the Hornby Forum Not sure if this helps but Hornby, a few years ago did a Train set called 'Night Mail' - R1144 ... /media/tinymce_upload/f6d366296e1baf4596c66070facf05ca.JPG The Number on the Side of the Night Mail Carriage is LMS 30247Is this what your looking for??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAB56 Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Hello & Welcome to the Hornby Forum Not sure if this helps but Hornby, a few years ago did a Train set called 'Night Mail' - R1144 ... /media/tinymce_upload/f6d366296e1baf4596c66070facf05ca.JPG The Number on the Side of the Night Mail Carriage is LMS 30247Is this what your looking for???Hi JimyJames, Thank you! That helps! I have one of the Night Mail coaches without a box - it's beautiful. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 If you study the film then you will see that the film directors artistic licence was used to bend the facts to entertain the audience. This https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Train_Robbery_(1963) tells the real story, lists the loco and coaches, etc. From memory the loco in the film was a Class 37 and of a variant not in service at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Stock numberts of mail coaches Hornby Dublo W807 red 32098 tinplateHornby Dublo W807 red 4401 tinplate Triang 7" M30224 red R23 plastic Triang 7" M30224 blue/grey R402M plasticall rest plasticHornby LMS 30250 red R413Hornby LMS 30250 red R412Hornby LMS 30250 red R461Hornby M80328 red R416Hornby M80328 red R597Hornby GWR 848 chocolate and cream R440Hornby GWR 848 chocolate and cream Night Mail R4526 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 NB After the robbery BR and GPO drastically changed mail coaches on the TPO , replacing the old LMS & GWR coaches with BR Mark 1s .All with improved security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Stock numberts of mail coaches Hornby Dublo 3RAIL W807 red 32098 tinplateHornby Dublo 2RAIL W807 red 4401 tinplate Triang 7" M30224 red R23 plastic Two types of couplingsTriang 7" M30224 blue/grey R402M plasticall rest plasticHornby LMS 30250 red R413Hornby LMS 30250 red R412Hornby LMS 30250 red R461Hornby M80328 red R416Hornby M80328 red R597Hornby GWR 848 chocolate and cream R440Hornby GWR 848 chocolate and cream Night Mail lettering instead of Royal Mail... fictionalR4526 I've added a few details... 😉 The earlier 7inch Tri-ang mail coach is a bit on the short side...They came as a set with the operating gear. Early sets with special track sections, later sets with clip fit ramps and apparatus. R.23 "Standard" (grey) track. Mk2b (open loop) couplings. R.323 "Series 3" (black sleepers).Mk2b couplings 1958. From 1959 MK3 (closed loop) Tension Lock couplings. R.402 "Super 4" (brown "scale" sleepers) track. All these sets used basically the same coach, with R.23 on the underside. R.402M "System 6" (code 100 track, black sleepers) track. The same short coach, but in BR blue and grey livery. The other Tri-ang mail coach is the long Transcontinental type, originally R.119 (Set). This was later made in BR blue and grey livery, and is certainly fictional in that livery. The Hornby GWR mail coach is the LMS mail coach in GWR livery. The Hornby LMS mail coach is more to scale size. For some reason, later Hornby models have "NIGHT MAIL" lettering, which is fictional, instead of the correct "ROYAL MAIL" lettering. Possibly you need a licence these days to print Royal Mail? Also, a Royal Mail coach made by Jouef for Playcraft, HO scale. Several types of mail coaches made by Bachmann... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 PAB56, welcome to the Hornby Forum. 😀 There is also R9236 Sodor Mail Coach and the Sodor Mail Operating Coaches, from the 2011 released R9682 Percy & The Mail Train Set and from the 2015 re-released R9284 Percy & The Mail Train Set; All of which is from the Hornby Thomas & Friends range. GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 It should be noted that pre-Nationalisation mail coaches had British standard gangways BUT offset from centre to make it impossible to connect to ordinary passenger stock. I believe this was a security feature. The Bachmann mail coaches are based on the BR Mark 1 design which had Pullman type gangways .Bachmann make three basic types , in real life prior to to the robbery 1963 these were - TPO Sorting Van POSW80300 to W80308 allocated Western RegionM80309 to M80314 allocated to London Midland RegionSC80315 to SC80317 allocated to Scottish RegionE80318 allocated to Eastern Region all except SC80315 to SC80317 and W80306 to W80308 were fitted with lineside exchange aparatrus None of these were in the mail train that was robbed despite what might have been shown in feature films and documentaries. Coach numbers of early BR / GPO red Bachmann models only Western Region coaches W80300, W80301, W80302, rest were modelled in blue & grey or post 1985 bright red TPO Stowage Van POTW80400 to W80402 allocated to the Western Region fitted with lineside exchange apparatusNot made by Bachmann in early BR / GPO red.livery. TPO Brake Stowage VanW80450 to W80455 with guards compartment but without lineside exchange equipmentNot made by Bachmann in early BR / GPO red livery. More coaches put into service after 1963, to replace pre-Nationalisation stock . These coaches were fitted with improved security features identified as necessary following the Great Train Robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 No Probs 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Hello & Welcome to the Hornby Forum Not sure if this helps but Hornby, a few years ago did a Train set called 'Night Mail' - R1144 .../media/tinymce_upload/f6d366296e1baf4596c66070facf05ca.JPG The Number on the Side of the Night Mail Carriage is LMS 30247Is this what your looking for???Hi JimyJames, Thank you! That helps! I have one of the Night Mail coaches without a box - it's beautiful. Paul If you hadn’t used the blue button it wouldn’t repeated the full previous post including images which held up you reply for two days pending approval by site admin. No blue button = instant reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAB56 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 Thank you all for your help! Definitely cleared things up for me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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