Sootei Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I ahve lost sound on my layout after doing the balasting prob too heavy handed with glue but i have cleaned track with Track Magic loads of times no joy .The trains run ok but not a peep out of them.I have Elite an controller went through that it seems everything is working i am at a bit of a loss.Have tested track and its DDC coming out of controller Any other ideas please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 If the trains are actually running under DCC control, then logically it can't be the ballast that is affecting your sound else the loco motors wouldn't respond either. Have you read the Elite manual Page 68 and implemented the Elite factory reset procedure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootei Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 Ok thanks i will do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 If resetting the Elite does nothing, then try resetting the sound. If these loco decoders are Hornby TTS, then writing 5 to CV8 will just reset the sound, but should leave the motor settings and the main DCC addresses untouched. Whereas writing 8 to CV8 will reset everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootei Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 No tried all that but no joy just wonder has something gone wrong withthe Elite ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 What firmware revision is the Elite?[Displays briefly on screen as the Elite is powered up] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootei Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 its the 1.44 revision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 In that case, I have got nothing more to offer you in terms of a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Maybe the ballast wasn’t quite dry when you tried it and the moisture created a short across the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootei Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 Having gone through all the steps on the elite got to step 6 Decoder type Chose Decoder Multi Press control 1 it says the red LED should flash 5 times it didnt only twice I tried it 2 times same thing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 I wouldn’t fret too much about counting flashes as firmware updates have altered these but they are no documented. Can you change any CV parameters or read-back CV1 or CV7/8 which will prove the Elite Prog side is working. What value does the master volume return. You can alter this on the main to see if it instantly responds to 0 (off) 4 (default) or 8 (max). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Have you ensured the sound is now turned on. I know it's the dummy is question but worth checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I suppose the important thing here is how many trains and what DCC sound decoders are they running? The other thing to try is to run them along a length of un ballasted track. So possibly buy a length of flexitrack, or use old track and see if the sound works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootei Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 i did another reset and it flashed for much longer tryed it again and suddenly it all works sound and lights etc Many thanks for all the help and advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just for the sake of clarity .... what did you successfully reset at the second attempt. The Elite controller or your loco decoder(s)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootei Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 The Elite controller . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 So does that mean that the title of this thread is completely incorrect and the ballasting at around the same time was just a bad coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I think when Sootei raised the topic he just assumed the ballasting had caused the issue. It effectively did, it seems the excess glue did something to the Elite that it didn't like. Why it would do that, seems very weird, but as I have noticed recently PVA glue does some weird things to electrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Because it contains H2O. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootei Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 An interesting thought i am just glad its all working if anybodys interested i put a video on You Tube Dereks Trains (7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Nope, it doesn't when it is dry, well I don't think it does. With my issues, it was the dry PVA that was causing weird issues and I suspect it was the same with the ballasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Time to get the multimeter out Colin and prove conductivity or insulative properties of wet amd dry PVA.More than likely it is the ballast material that is conducting. I have reused the contents of water filter cartridges before and I found they are mainly carbon based, so after seeing track problems I now have to restrict use of that resource away from exposed electrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Actually when I was having issues with my Duchess not working,because I added real coal (it leaked out all over the tender wheels), I did exactly that. With the mutimeter it measured low impedance to the track, but the loco didn't work until I cleaned the wheels which removed the odd bits of PVA glue. It even passed current because you could see a small spark as it touched the wheel, but it still didn't work. So yes PVA glue has some weird properties, the issue is when it dries, it is clear so difficult to see. Perhaps it has some weird dielectric property that acts as a capacitor, not my field so I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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