Chrissaf Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I had not known of the T9's faults until my friend asked me to have a look at one of his. It was was not meshing for some reason. My initial thoughts were what a badly designed chassis. After thinking about it for a day or so, i thought it needs reassembling in some way. I glued, using Areldite, the baseplate to the main chassis, ensuring that it was pressed firmly together and let it set. Next, I glued the motor into the groove in the baseplate whilst ensuring that the worm sat centrally on the gear-wheel. The U-shaped piece of metal that covers the worm gear is then glued onto the chassis ensuring that no glue is applied where it sits over the gear-wheel's axle. This is pressed firmly down and clamped if possible until set. The gap between this piece of metal and motor should also have some glue run along the top to reinforce the sturcture. When everything was firmly in place the loco ran perfectly well. While this method does not allow easy maintainence, it does mean you can run your loco until the motor packs-up. If it does then you could repeat the process.My friend has told me of people saying their locos were scrap and to save the motor for spares; where is that capacity to make do and mend that was such a large part of the modelling society years ago? 'Oh, its broken I'll have to scrap it.' Get a grip and use your initiative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Whilst you wait for a reply, perhaps you would spend a few minutes reviewing the TIPs in the TIP page link below: TIP: As a newbie poster on the forum, just be aware that the 'Blue Button with the White Arrow' is not a 'Reply to this post' button. If you want to reply to any of the posts, scroll down and write your reply in the reply text box at the bottom of the page and click the Green 'Reply' button. See also – further TIPs on how to get the best user experience from this forum.https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/forum/tips-on-using-the-forum/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Although I applaud the fact you have repaired a loco, I have done the same many times, I don't think using Areldite is a good idea. Far too permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMerkvertigliebe Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 It might be permanent, but how many times do you think you will have to change a motor. I applaud that you have repaired locos many times. My sarcasm was not aimed at those who do, but those who seem to see a bad design as something terminal, rahter than having a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Me too. Mini engineering is the best part of model railways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mico11 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Welcome to the group.It might help you to comprehend what is at issue here if you, on the discussion group, top right hand side, in the "search forum" column, insert T9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 If you are talking to me Mico I am aware of the faults and have repaired many locos for other people including the T9. In over 60 years of railway modelling what can go wrong has gone wrong. Anything can be repaired, eventually. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mico11 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 WTDWith 20000 entries WTD I would not be welcoming you to the group, would I.I am trying to help a newcomer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I applaud your fix but I must admit it is getting harder to repair broken locos, because of the lack of spare parts. Hornby seem to do very few replacement parts for new locos. I have bought second hand locos only to find they have issues with their pickups or base plates. Usually you can modify a pickup you can get, but they never seem to work the same. I did try at one point to fix my Merchant navy valve gear with bits from scrap valve gear parts but also found that it doesn't always work. I must admit I am getting to the point of only buying Bachmann locos secondhand as that nice lady at Bachmann always seems to have spare parts and she replies in a day. Reading all the posts about this loco you would think Hornby would have made replacement parts that work and sold them as upgraded spare parts, that is what the motor industry does. I suppose Hornby has the copyright, so I suppose some third party can't make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 WTDWith 20000 entries WTD I would not be welcoming you to the group, would I.I am trying to help a newcomer.Good point Mico, never thought of that. Doh! Of all the locos I have 'got going' for my friends, I would say 80% of them were not Hornby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I still believe repairing the motor mounts or any other removable part with Areldite is a huge mistake. They are removable for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 From what I gather from the posts, the motor retainers break and you can't get replacements. I don't have one of these locos, so I wouldn't have a clue as to how easy it is to fabricate something. So I suppose that is why he used Araldite. The locos I have most trouble with are pickups on Fowler Tanks, front bogie of Schools Class and valve gear for BofB/West Country/Merchant Navy. They did improve the front bogie on the Schools class, but sadly they don't have them as spare parts. I did have to fix someones Bachmann loco where the tender connection had broken, but I managed to get a brand new one plus pickup plate from Bachmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 WTDWith 20000 entries WTD I would not be welcoming you to the group, would I.I am trying to help a newcomer. I would have thought that WTD's knowledge would be invaluable to a newcomer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Trouble with glueing the motor in place is that the modern motors don't last for ever and ard not easily repairable so there is a very good chance it will have to come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_bridger Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Peters spares provide new motor mounts for the t9. Solves the problem. See Sams Trains youtube channel for full fitting video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog RJ Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Peters spares provide new motor mounts for the t9. Solves the problem. See Sams Trains youtube channel for full fitting video. I was checking Peter's Spares earlier today and couldn't find any T9 motor mounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 It appears Peters Spares makes his own, so no need to aradite it in. It has a different part number as it obviously a replacement part manufactured by Peters Spares.https://www.petersspares.com/peters-spares-ps61-replacement-hornby-t9-motor-mount.ir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Is there Rog, if it's the right thing. https://www.petersspares.com/peters-spares-ps61-replacement-hornby-t9-motor-mount.ir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog RJ Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Thanks for the link. I wonder why my searches failed to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Perhaps you spelt T9 incorrectly 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 It appears Peters Spares makes his own, so no need to aradite it in. It has a different part number as it obviously a replacement part manufactured by Peters Spares.https://www.petersspares.com/peters-spares-ps61-replacement-hornby-t9-motor-mount.ir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Looks pretty substantial Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 It looks a bit like fitted to one of my locos, probably a Brittania, I think that is the one I have apart on a regular basis. The back mount is out of stock though, but looking at it you might be able to make one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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