Tony57 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Hi allFound the program informative.The issue I have with sound locos is they don't sound like a real loco, the bark when starting off under load is very different to what the model sounds like, also how can you replicate wheel slip, MN's and BoB / WC were light footed and slipped easily without careful handling when starting off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 F6 has always been wheel slip on TTS steamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I think back emf gives you the speed of the motor, it is a long time since I did electric motor theory. I think the bigger issue is that TTS decoders don't have much memory compared to the super expensive sound decoders, so they are limited in what they can do. I just accept them for what they are a cheap alternative to a normal decoder. On certain of my locos I have Zimo and LokSound decoders, but it is not economic to fit them to all my TTS locos. I would like to but it is not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Hmm, not on UKTV yet. Must take a day or two. R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I had to a laugh when Simon said this is a model that will last a lifetime. Thinking, yes as long as it doesn't break anything and you gave it to a reputable manufacturer that does not have an issue with mazak rot, since spares for the latest Hornby locos are nigh on impossible to find, but I am sure his heart is in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Hmm, not on UKTV yet. Must take a day or two. R- i watched it again today Rog as there was a particular thing I was looking for on the four loop test track. The track piece was there but not the model loco I saw on a visit.No one has commented on the smoke yet, when there is a loco in the opening scene with the smokebox door missing thus revealing the workings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Maybe it's my OCD, but seeing and hearing 'the specialists' putting so much effort into the sound, then no remotely interested in the number of exhaust beats, or 'chuffs' was very disappointing.Al. These programs don’t show the whole nine yards but I can assure you recording was taken of the chuffing. Difficult to film and record both wheel rotation and associated chuff as you roll along at various speeds, given these locos are speed restricted until they go main line, then max 75mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 The loco with the smoke unit looked similar to the one Jenny Kirk reviewed, so perhaps they were evaluating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 The loco with the smoke unit looked similar to the one Jenny Kirk reviewed, so perhaps they were evaluating it. That was a TRS Trains smoke unit Colin, clearly seen on her review page.Hornby had an ultrasonic atomiser water based ‘smoke’ unit many years ago but were held miniaturisation of the atomiser units and associated pcb control kit. TRS Trains appears to be using the same water feature misting device tech to produce their very effective steam/smoke effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 So do you think Hornby will develop it? I liked the concept but I didn't like the way you had to fill it up by taking the smoke box door off. Perhaps if Hornby developed it, they would find a better way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 These programs don’t show the whole nine yards but I can assure you recording was taken of the chuffing. Difficult to film and record both wheel rotation and associated chuff as you roll along at various speeds, given these locos are speed restricted until they go main line, then max 75mph. Agreed, they recorded the 'chuffing', but Hornby sound never synchronises the 'chuffs' correctly, and certainly doesn't speed up with engine speed proportionately.I remember when the Lord Nelson TTS came out. At one speed, it can almost achieve the actual 8 beats per revolution, but as the locomotive speeds up, the chuffs don't at the same rate.They should also be much 'harder' when pulling away, and lighter when running faster, unless the engine is 'hauling' on an incline, say Shap, at reasonable speed.The technology should be there to achieve correctly synchronised 'chuffing' and intensity.Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 E1 is now on UKTV for those folk who didn’t catch it. R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I always thought, that in the past, TTS sound was "electronically created" rather than recorded from a real loco. I believe the original Hornby sound loco's with Loksound decoders were recorded - I may be wrong. So recording, as shown in the programme is a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Well atom3624 you are right it probably is possible to do it. I just get the opinion that the way these sound decoders are configured that with the current range of decoders it isn't, lack of memory being one issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I always thought, that in the past, TTS sound was "electronically created" rather than recorded from a real loco. I believe the original Hornby sound loco's with Loksound decoders were recorded - I may be wrong. So recording, as shown in the programme is a step in the right direction. The old 21-pin decoders were ESU loaded with sound files from the ESU site (British section).TTS sounds have always been recorded where such a loco exists or from library files where a loco is extinct.Some generic sounds may have been used across loco types, such as injectors, coal shovelling, etc but main steam sounds including whistles or other characteristic items (e.g. power stoker) are correct to class.Hence the program is simply following in its own footsteps. Viewers of the previous Hornby TV program a couple of years ago may remember seing ‘Ken the Sound Guru’ recording a then very secret project (J69?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 @96RAFYeah I remember Ken was trying to get the right sound for the vented wagons .I wonder if that old bloke is still at Hornby as tour guide. I was expecting James Mayto popup somewhere . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doc Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 F6 has always been wheel slip on TTS steamers. Is it only me, or do others find that when you select F6 you immediately get the wheelslip sound, followed by a half-second of absolute silence before the sounds kick back in again - makes it sound a bit unrealistic in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo1707820979 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Hornby did not bother to put on sub-titles for those whose hearing is diminished or non-existent. A mindless omission. So I will not be bothered to watch this programme either. Poor show.rage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Hornby did not bother to put on sub-titles for those whose hearing is diminished or non-existent. A mindless omission. So I will not be bothered to watch this programme either. Poor show.rage FOUL - Hornby did not produce the film, they only took part. The production and distribution was handled by the various companies shown in the credits. Not fair to moan at Hornby for this and there may even be an option in your TV settings to enable captions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morairamike Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 The new series of Wheeler Dealers doesn't have subtitles. These are added afterwards in some cases.Current Ch4 and all it derivative channels More4 etc are without subtitles due to a fire in one of their buildings. When they will be back is not known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 if you can't get the 'Yesterday Channel' like me then you can watch it her...(You may have to sign in for free thou!!!) Hornby: A Model World - Series 1 - Episode 1 - Merchant Navy - UKTV Play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverlagan Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Are we able to view the series in Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I would think it unlikely Gordon. You could try browsing to the catch up service onhttps://uktvplay.uktv.co.uk/but I suspect it will be regionalised and therefore unavailable to you.it would be interesting ti hear how you get on,R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 @GordonWhen I lived in Cyprus we would search for our favourite TV series in the Torch browser and download the torrent file. Coincidentally these were usually made available from CTV (Canadian TV) recordings the day after airing. Often whole seasons could be downloaded in one hit. This methodology is frowned upon by ISPs in UK, but was tolerated in Cyprus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan_wilson Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I live near Heidelberg in Germany and get FreeSAT just fine with a 95 cm dish. I would go mad being forced to watch German TV only!!! I know what you mean about German TV. I live in Rottweil and rely on the Internet for TV in English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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