ColinB Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 So is it a retooled version or just a rerun of the previous model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Hornby advise, as per catalogue entries and contrary to website details which are being corrected, the loco's have tender-mounted 21-pin sockets with "screwed drawbar and wires" and sound capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew Man Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I think they must have already changed the website spec as it says 'Tender mounted 21 socket'. I'm sure until recently it was listed as 8 pin. I've just this morning had notification that my pre-order has arrived and is being prepared for dispatch sunglassesheart_eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkRedCape Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I’ve had several pre-orders that had been originally listed as 8-pin that then went to 21-pin. The 21-pin design is a far superior one to that of the 8-pin, in my opinion.This must have been no small feat on Hornby’s behalf to modify so many locos during production.I have the two new models on the way. Is there any way from the models themselves we could tell if the tooling was new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 7 Author Share Posted February 7 Actually DarkRedCape the 21 pin is much easier circuit board to solder to. You can buy some of them as spare parts ( I fitted one in a loco I converted), it is a easier task to fit. It fits on the same posts as the 8 pin variety, so basically it is just a change of part and documentation which obviously they are only just getting round to.So has it got firebox flicker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatz Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Actually DarkRedCape the 21 pin is much easier circuit board to solder to. You can buy some of them as spare parts ( I fitted one in a loco I converted), it is a easier task to fit. It fits on the same posts as the 8 pin variety, so basically it is just a change of part and documentation which obviously they are only just getting round to.So has it got firebox flicker? I can confirm it has no firebox flicker (that was a disappointment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkRedCape Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I'm sure there was an article about the new 8F's in a magazine that I got quite a while ago. I'll have a dig around and see if I can find it, and if it mentions new tooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 I asked the same question on RMWeb, same old design. I assume they has moved decoder to tender with 4 pin connector and made the pickups pickup from both wheels rather than use the chassis. Someone even said that it doesn't have NEM pockets which I find difficult to believe. So basically a very old design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Having pick-ups on the loco driving and tender wheels came with the move to loco-drive. The website information quite plainly states NEM couplings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew Man Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I can confirm that it has an NEM pocket and coupling on the tender and none on the front. But why would you want a coupling on the front of such a loco. There is, however a spare coupling in the accessory pack with a fitting I've never seen before but I can't see where it would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 48151 is often double headed on heritage runs with either Jubilees or Fives.I'm not a fan of front steamie couplings, but there is justification.If it's running on a heritage line, it'll often be on the 'return run', tender first hauling the carriages.Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Have Hornby supplied the loco with a removable blanking plate across the front of the pony truck block which can be replaced by a plug-in NEM coupling head if desired, as on recent Gresley releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo009 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Somehow, Hornby have gone back in time, and replaced the separate smoke box fittings of the last run with integral mouldings as per the models from last century. I understand this was highlighted to Hornby staff at a well know Yorkshire model shop today with all 3 ages next to each other. I believe there was what is known as an awkward silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 Yes the guy that highlighted that needs a medal. On RMWeb people are wondering what happens next. That really is a serious failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 Do you know I started this post to see if the model was worth buying and whether it was worth the incredibly inflated price. I also started the same thread on RMWeb. It appears this is a major production mess up by Hornby regressing to parts from a Railroad model. So it appears it isn't worth buying at the current price and even at half price the decision is questionable but I suppose we will see. I was looking at my one yesterday (it is DCC ready but quite old) and I noticed a very large square hole in the cab where on the really old versions it has firebox glow (with a bulb I imagine). Does anyone know if Hornby removed this on the later versions and this latest one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo009 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I don’t think they have firebox glow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 34 minutes ago, Simmo009 said: I don’t think they have firebox glow No they don't, I know that, but did they remove the square hole in the cab for it, say from R3565. My one R2249 still had the hole from when they did fit years ago. I suspect it was a bulb in those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesXRN Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Hi Colin. I also have R2249 as well as R2395A, a weathered 48062. They both have the firebox hole in them. Should be easy for fitting a glow. They both have separate smokebox darts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 9 minutes ago, LesXRN-344592 said: Hi Colin. I also have R2249 as well as R2395A, a weathered 48062. They both have the firebox hole in them. Should be easy for fitting a glow. They both have separate smokebox darts too. I know, I did exactly that to mine yesterday. It was really useful as it has a slot behind it to fit the PCB. What I was asking was whether the latest one they are selling had the same. It is an incredibly expensive model so I was just wondering if they had covered the hole up because it does look a bit unsightly. Now if you are going to fit smokebox glow then perhaps it is ok, but it really is too big. My model is old so it didn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew Man Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I didn't find it that expensive really, no more so than other locos of a similar size and probably cheaper than some. I paid £225 for mine including a 10% club discount, (I got that and reward points before my previous membership expired). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesXRN Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 11 minutes ago, ColinB said: I know, I did exactly that to mine yesterday. It was really useful as it has a slot behind it to fit the PCB. What I was asking was whether the latest one they are selling had the same. It is an incredibly expensive model so I was just wondering if they had covered the hole up because it does look a bit unsightly. Now if you are going to fit smokebox glow then perhaps it is ok, but it really is too big. My model is old so it didn't matter. It might be a pfaff, but a bit of card inside the firebox with a slim vertical slot, i.e; firebox doors slightly open, would work better for the glow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 11 minutes ago, LesXRN-344592 said: It might be a pfaff, but a bit of card inside the firebox with a slim vertical slot, i.e; firebox doors slightly open, would work better for the glow. Thank you I had not thought of doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 19 minutes ago, Brew Man said: I didn't find it that expensive really, no more so than other locos of a similar size and probably cheaper than some. I paid £225 for mine including a 10% club discount, (I got that and reward points before my previous membership expired). Great so you have one, so does it have the big square hole where the firebox doors would normally be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew Man Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 There is a hole, not big and not square. I'd say about 6mm x 4mm, maybe a whisker bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 25 minutes ago, Brew Man said: There is a hole, not big and not square. I'd say about 6mm x 4mm, maybe a whisker bigger. Great, thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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