JJ73 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 I was in Chesterfield today & walking past a Metal Fence and saw this...do you see what I saw??? I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About The Bee Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Hi JJ That's an interesting panel. Did UK outline locomotives get fitted with cow catchers? Bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Temporia Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Bee, I think some of the tramway locos did including some BR diesel shunters. Some of the steam trams certainly did but they were not to the same design as the USA ones. I think they were more common on the Irish lines. Were Flying Scotsman or the Royal Scot fitted with one when they were in the USA? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSR_NSE Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Flying Scotsman certainly was (& a headlamp & a bell.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 That design would transfer straight into a stained glass window. Maybe that's where the idea came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Temporia Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Just found a photo of Royal Scot (I know it had swapped ID with a sister loco) fitted with one on line but my iPad won’t let me copy a link for some reason. Did the GWR King ever have one? It had the bell but a quick search hasn’t shown any photos of it fitted with a cow-catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted August 6 Author Share Posted August 6 Hello Bee - My guess it as good as yours - As the other said a few Trams were fitted with a Cow Catcher & the F. S. (Didn't know about the Royal Scot going to America - News to me!!!) had A Cow Catcher, Bell & Light fitted when it went across the Pond!!! 😉🚂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Temporia Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 My iPad decides to work! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Which I believe is actually loco 6152 and, as the identities were not reversed when '6100' returned to the UK or even when rebuilt, the loco preserved is not the one that started its career as "Royal Scot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Temporia Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 13 hours ago, Going Spare said: Which I believe is actually loco 6152 and, as the identities were not reversed when '6100' returned to the UK or even when rebuilt, the loco preserved is not the one that started its career as "Royal Scot". I don’t think they are 100% sure which loco it actually swapped with but 6152 is the most likely. Also, when the locos were rebuilt there was very little of the original locos used, and I was reading that as they were rebuilt parts from the previous locos were used in the construction so a bit of a mish-mash. There seem to have been a number of different nameplates used while it was in the US according to a number of sources. There was also a streamlined Coronation went but I can’t remember which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 53 minutes ago, Rana Temporia said: I don’t think they are 100% sure which loco it actually swapped with but 6152 is the most likely. Also, when the locos were rebuilt there was very little of the original locos used, and I was reading that as they were rebuilt parts from the previous locos were used in the construction so a bit of a mish-mash. There seem to have been a number of different nameplates used while it was in the US according to a number of sources. There was also a streamlined Coronation went but I can’t remember which one. I have a book about Coronations. It is in there. . . . unfortunately the book is buried in a box somewhere following a house move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Streamlined Princess Coronation 6229 Duchess of Hamilton was outshopped in September 1938 uniquely carrying 'Shop Grey' livery until repainted in to LMS Crimson Lake that December prior to attending the following year's New York World's Fair in the guise of 6220 Coronation. It was accompanied by a matching-liveried set of coaches and although the locomotive was repatriated in 1942 and reaquired its 6229 identity in 1943, the coaches remained in the USA for the duration of the war and never entered UK service is as-exported condition. There is a photograph online showing the loco in the USA fitted with a large faired-in headlight and a bell mounted atop the casing immediately in front of the chimney, the latter looking to be out-of-gauge for UK operation, but no cow-catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Temporia Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 To get back to JJ’s original post, there really is a prototype for everything! Several UK mainline locos with cow-catchers fitted, swapped identities and……..an LMS engine that was almost a direct copy of a Southern one (allegedly). Although apparently the SR did hand over the Lord Nelson drawings to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About The Bee Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Here is an early type of cow catcher, if you will. 1842, Francis Whishaw illustration of a London and Birmingham Railway passenger locomotive. An obvious Edmund Bury locomotive. Simple to see how it worked, it just picked stuff off the rails to prevent derailment. Bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Temporia Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 And to complement JJ’s original post this is one I took this evening outside Tesco at Horwich. It represents one of the L&Y 2-4-2 tanks built at the loco works. Unfortunately it hasn’t been maintained since it went in and is now rusty with chunks of paint falling off it. There was an 8F smokebox and some wheels in the park in Horwich. I don’t know if they are still there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About The Bee Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Ha! I spent many minutes searching in the background for the locomotive Rana was talking about. Was it that smudge, that blob? I just couldn't see the locomotive. Check the text, check the image. Why couldn't I see it???? What is he talking about??? I finally realized, the buffers were right there, in plain view. Very, very sneaky!! Bee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSR_NSE Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Thanks @What About The Bee - I did realise I was supposed to be looking at the drunken scaffolding, but I couldn’t see anything resembling anything until you posted about the buffers! 🤦♂️😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 Thanks Rana - I can just about see a frame of a Steam Loco!!! 😉🚂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Temporia Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 It’s not a great photo, it was raining very heavily at the time (I do live in Bolton). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threelink Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 It looks very much like a life sized version of the early stages of one of my many failed attempts at scratch building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About The Bee Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Your picture is fine Rana. My ability to see an abstract locomotive isn't so fine. Perhaps this art is better in person. Bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Allen Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 On 06/08/2024 at 01:21, JJ73 said: I was in Chesterfield today & walking past a Metal Fence and saw this...do you see what I saw??? I If its where I think, then its the site of the old gas works railway line which came off the current main line, it used to come down past Queens Park and up into the gas works. It's also on the route of the old Brampton tram line. At one time there was 3 stations in the town, the current station was the LMS Midland Station, where the A61 is now next to the college was Chesterfield Central run by LNER and Chesterfield Market Place (LNER closed in the 50s due to a tunnel problem at Bolsover) near the Portland Pub (once Portland Hotel next door to the station). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About The Bee Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Hi @Tim Allen From that description, it sounds like you have definitive knowledge. That the panel is representative of actual regional railway history. Is the locomotive in the panel evocative of the actual locomotives that were utilized there? Do you happen to have an image of a locomotive that "matches" the panel? Presumably with a cow catcher, of course. I think it is terrific that the panel isn't just a piece of art. Bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 (edited) Yes Tim - It is very near Queens Park, but I didn't know about the History what you said about, but I do know that there used to be a Railway line going from the Main Line to the Gas Works in Chesterfield b/c you can still follow it today!!! Also there is an old Railway Tunnel in Chesterfield which I found many years ago & I explored (quite near to the Portland Pub (once Portland Hotel & the A61- The far end of which is blocked off & when I turn around & came back out again to the same way as I went in - There was a Policeman Standing there asking me what I was doing in there!!! I told him I was just exploring really & he said i shouldn't of really be in there as it was a bit dangerous!!! Edited August 9 by JJ73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Allen Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 (edited) 11 hours ago, JJ73 said: Yes Tim - It is very near Queens Park, but I didn't know about the History what you said about, but I do know that there used to be a Railway line going from the Main Line to the Gas Works in Chesterfield b/c you can still follow it today!!! Also there is an old Railway Tunnel in Chesterfield which I found many years ago & I explored (quite near to the Portland Pub (once Portland Hotel & the A61- The far end of which is blocked off & when I turn around & came back out again to the same way as I went in - There was a Policeman Standing there asking me what I was doing in there!!! I told him I was just exploring really & he said i shouldn't of really be in there as it was a bit dangerous!!! That's the old railway tunnel for Chesterfield central, there's a ladder at the end that comes up near the court house. I've added some photo's of the Market Station which closed in the 1950's when the Bolsover tunnel was deemed unsafe for passengers. Edited August 10 by Tim Allen Added photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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