96RAF Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I would be happy just to know which loco is where and doing what - i.e. a dynamic following of traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 GDJT said: Is loco detection available to buy now? I can't find anything on the hornby website to suggest that it is. Hi GDJT, sorry it is not available yet, so many of us are waiting for it but that is all we can do at present. Hornby have two systems and they are patenting both systems, once they have the patent they will be produced and made available. We do not know any more except the good news they have the system they want, and one other and they have been submitted for the patent. We are all sure it will be worth the wait, Hornby are excited about the system I am sure we will be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Phul007 said: I can see a big change I will have to make on my layout as I have my points and signals running the same dcc accessories address so when I chance a point the signal changes at the same time. If detection will need to see the signal status then I will have to put signals on my RM layout and allocate them the same address as the points. We won't know until it is available. Possibly the detection at the points will trigger the change to the two as you have now. I think quite a few things will change as we do things a different way. I am looking at programming points for routes but am holding back as I think Loco detection would do things better or certainly differently. At present I am playing with recording what I do then play it back and tweak it. The record is better than the route system for me as I have 5 interlinking ovals. Hopefully the record will pick up on any changes with loco detection, I guess it will. I am not ready yet but am holding back on purchasing signals until the loco detection is available and working. I really do think if RailMaster can deal with other companies points/signal decoders then loco detection will as it works through RM and is just picking up and responding to digit codes passed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetmanUK Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You could (should ?) be moving from a prescriptive, procedural world, ie do this, then do that and afterwards do something else, to an event-driven world, ie when this happens do this, if that happens do something different. Its could be a completely different way of looking at things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Looking at what you've just written, I reckon I've been living an event driven world all my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 MetmanUK said: You could (should ?) be moving from a prescriptive, procedural world, ie do this, then do that and afterwards do something else, to an event-driven world, ie when this happens do this, if that happens do something different. Its could be a completely different way of looking at things. Considering the program route technique and the event do this technique, I know which I prefer. Maybe its because I have now retired, I don't have to get up before 7am, I don't have tocheck emails and orders all day, or list items online. I don't have to work 7 days a week, I work to this happens do that, that happens ok do this. Yes I prefer this method but it is taking some adjusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetmanUK Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 PJ_model_trains said: Considering the program route technique and the event do this technique, I know which I prefer. Maybe its because I have now retired, I don't have to get up before 7am, I don't have tocheck emails and orders all day, or list items online. I don't have to work 7 days a week, I work to this happens do that, that happens ok do this. Yes I prefer this method but it is taking some adjusting. The event-driven concept best describes our chaotic world but programming for it WILL take some getting used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetmanUK Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 walkingthedog said: Looking at what you've just written, I reckon I've been living an event driven world all my life. Events are just one element of object-orientation (OO - now there's a coincidence!) theory which is used by most modern programming languages as it can describe most aspects of our world. So, yes, you live in an OO world one way or another !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 When I retired in 2006 it took me about a day to get used to it. I now live by the 'why do something tomorrow when you can do it another day' plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetmanUK Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 walkingthedog said: When I retired in 2006 it took me about a day to get used to it. I now live by the 'why do something tomorrow when you can do it another day' plan. ......... by which time,with any luck,you've forgotten about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 That's the beauty of the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 MetmanUK said: Events are just one element of object-orientation (OO - now there's a coincidence!) theory which is used by most modern programming languages as it can describe most aspects of our world. So, yes, you live in an OO world one way or another !!! Good one! Ho Ho (we live in a 00 world) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I must admit,a lot of you guys seem to be so advanced in your digital railway modeling that you need to second-guess something that hasn't even been launched yet. I'm way off being into detection systems. I've now programmed almost all of my sound locos onto RM, will soon be testing such things as double-heading, and even programming schedules is probably some way off for me, never mind what you're all concerned about. Am I perhaps a slow developer? What's all this rush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I'm so far behind DCC that I'm going backwards Graskie, but I don't understand all this second guessing. Probably completely different when it comes out and then they'll be saying 'oh I thought it was going to do this not that'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Graskie said: I must admit,a lot of you guys seem to be so advanced in your digital railway modeling that you need to second-guess something that hasn't even been launched yet. I'm way off being into detection systems. I've now programmed almost all of my sound locos onto RM, will soon be testing such things as double-heading, and even programming schedules is probably some way off for me, never mind what you're all concerned about. Am I perhaps a slow developer? What's all this rush? Don't compare Graskie, so long as you are happy with what you have and what you do that is all that matters. It was my worry when the guy said show us your layouts. The smaller layouts dont get shown because they cannot compete. Mine is so new it is only taking shape but I showed it to encourage others... Lets see some shelf layouts, some fiddlers yards, some full attic layouts, garages, huts or on the wifes ironing board. It's good to share. Is Fishy away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 walkingthedog said: I'm so far behind DCC that I'm going backwards Graskie, but I don't understand all this second guessing. Probably completely different when it comes out and then they'll be saying 'oh I thought it was going to do this not that'. Hi WTD we are all waiting and guessing but what appeals to me are I will know on my control where every train is I will create zones and only one train can be in a zone at any one time I will have a better system than there has ever been before. No program route, another, another and chain them. I can run loco, pass a tag set speed, change points, change signalsand so much more. I believe it will be powerful to use and help us run more trains and be in total control. Timing will be the main thing, but it will be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I very much agree, PJ, with the promising yet further advantages of loco detection, but I converted from DC to DCC some years ago now and am still playing catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I totally agree that detection is going to be an amazing thing. What I find strange is the way you are all discussing how it's going to do this and that when nothing has been released. It has been announced that it is going to be different to what was originally put forward. From what I've read it's going to be better than first thought and will work in a completely different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 DCC uncouplers are already available. I read today that the RAF are printing spare parts for the Tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Graskie said: I very much agree, PJ, with the promising yet further advantages of loco detection, but I converted from DC to DCC some years ago now and am still playing catch up. Only buy what suits your needs Graskie and when you are ready for it. As technology keeps moving forward we will never keep up. The latest phone, the latest tv, the latest computers, rablets, etc. They will beout of date in months. Regarding loco detection, I think it is safe to say, what ever commands are in route programming and in RM will work with loco detection but, probably in an easier and more flexible way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Phul007 said: I think the second guessing from my end is that I am an IT person and being able to combine my modelling skills with programming will be great. Also my biggest issues is myself, in that I choose a layout that is very complicated and is difficult to run manually as many routes overlay. I am doing the RM program with timing but it will be so much more fun with detection. There will always be the next big thing we want yesterday unfortunately at the moment its detection. My Crystal ball for the next ten years is : Controlling oo trains via Wi-Fi and not DCC bus from track (reduce issues and cabling) More lights in carriages , steam and rolling stock DCC uncouplers on locos Opening doors on DMU/EMUs Sound as standard on all locos Cameras on Locos as options Locos using collision detection to stop in emergencies (as in some cars today) Passengers in Carriages as standard Finally the biggest change with be picking your model off the Hornby web site, downloading it and printing this on your 3D printer in multiple colours including logos, initially it will just the outside parts but eventually as technology gets better it will be the entire unit including motors. Wow Phul007, your hopes for the next ten years! I wonder how many will be out dated and another system or option take it's place? I have a small wish list it is as follows... That I will wake up, be greatful for another day, say thank you, enjoy the day whatever comes my way and not get on my wifes nerves but make sure she knows i care ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 My crystal ball for ten years into the future looks extremely hazy. Would those carriage passengers be able to get on and off trains, PJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 PJ_model_trains said: Is Fishy away? I was for 8 days. Got back late Tuesday and have been busy catching up with stuff since. Nice to be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 You were missed Fishy. Or maybe PJ was enjoying your absence. Don't think so though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainTracker Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 walkingthedog said: I totally agree that detection is going to be an amazing thing. What I find strange is the way you are all discussing how it's going to do this and that when nothing has been released. It has been announced that it is going to be different to what was originally put forward. From what I've read it's going to be better than first thought and will work in a completely different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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