gibbooo Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Now Hornby have added the P2 to the vast selection of loco's, can you consider GWR's one and only Pacific "The Great Bear". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Hi gibbooo welcome to the forum. At the top of the home page there is a link to the comment form. Put your request there and Hornby 'might' oblige. They don't read this forum. Maybe you'll be lucky, eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 They'll probably do 'Great Bear' before they do anything Scottish or LNER pre-grouping!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Mumble mumble mumble. They'll make things you like one day PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Aren't there too many Pacifics already? You could make a case equally for the five 'Raven' Pacifics, and of course (dare I mention it?) a Merchant Navy in original guise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 The Raven pacifics are a better case - there were five of them!! I wish I could believe WTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I don't Like the Great Bear. Ugly loco especially with that tiny tender and minuscule cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I dare you - go to Steam and say that, loudly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I did. I was discussing it with one of the curators, he didn't like it much either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I'm not saying it wasn't a good loco, not even sure if it was, just not very handsome like a Castle or V2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Not much cop as a loco. Quite ugly as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think the small cab made it look wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I bet you were as popular with the man from Steam as a Ham sandwich at a BarMitzva!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 No he really wasn't keen on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Wonder why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 The 'Great Bear' was basically a 'Star' with a big boiler and firebox and some extra wheels to accommodate it. It seems that there were plenty of 'teething troubles' and by 1924 it was decided to rebuild it to a 'Castle' class No. 111 'Viscount Churchill'. As a 'Castle' it lasted until 1953. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Rebuild as in scrap most of it and incorporate the remaining pieces into a new Castle with the number carried by Great Bear?? I think you might find it was the first Castle to be scrapped although I'm open to correction. Rather like the LMS Patriots 45502-45541, they were called 'Renewals' of Claughtons although there was no Claughton in them. Even 45500 & 45501 had very few Claughton parts in them, although they were called 'Rebuilds'. Same with the Royal Scots - new boiler, cylinders, renders, not a lot of Fowler left there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Keyboard refusing to follow instructions last line should read 'cylinders, tenders etc'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 It seems it followed a similar rebuild to the handful of 'Stars' that were converted to 'Castles', with perhaps a lot less of the original reused. A similar course was followed by the Southern which built H15 class 4-6-0s nominally out of a variety of deadbeat LSWR classes. And then there were of course the LNER P2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malB Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Which leads onto the remark Churchward make to Collett, when he hear about the then Mr Gresleys' new Pacific 1470 Great Northern. "Why did that young man build than for, "We" could have sold him "Ours"? Which in turn just goes to prove that, Gresley Was Right!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 You don't need a Pacific when you have the Castle. Gresley's best looking loco was and still is the V2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Hi LC&DR The P2 rebuilds were more of a rebuild than the Patriots or Great Bear. The original boilers were retained along with the cab. The mainframes were reused (with a new front end welded on) and the coupling and connecting rods were carried by the rebuilt engines. There was severe frame weakness after rebuilding, in the area around the cylinders. They were also very heavy on maintenance, in particular the cylinders becoming loose. They might not have been perfect as P2s but they were worse as A2s LC&DR said: It seems it followed a similar rebuild to the handful of 'Stars' that were converted to 'Castles', with perhaps a lot less of the original reused. A similar course was followed by the Southern which built H15 class 4-6-0s nominally out of a variety of deadbeat LSWR classes. And then there were of course the LNER P2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Postman Prat said: In my opinion the Thompson P2 rebuilds as A2 were some of the ugliest locomotives ever to come out of a LNER workshop. By contrast the Peppercorn A2s were handsome beasts. Hi LC&DR The P2 rebuilds were more of a rebuild than the Patriots or Great Bear. The original boilers were retained along with the cab. The mainframes were reused (with a new front end welded on) and the coupling and connecting rods were carried by the rebuilt engines. There was severe frame weakness after rebuilding, in the area around the cylinders. They were also very heavy on maintenance, in particular the cylinders becoming loose. They might not have been perfect as P2s but they were worse as A2s LC&DR said: It seems it followed a similar rebuild to the handful of 'Stars' that were converted to 'Castles', with perhaps a lot less of the original reused. A similar course was followed by the Southern which built H15 class 4-6-0s nominally out of a variety of deadbeat LSWR classes. And then there were of course the LNER P2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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