Yelrow Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 At the risk of being told to read the manual, i have locos whose lights are fine on DC, but when put on DCC, are lightless. I know its something to do with the drop down on the right, where it says cab lights, and have in theory clicked on this, but to no effect. Have not had the courage to try my lighted coaches yet. Do i also, have to do something , for them to work. I would prefer to br given a simple solution, as the manual and i , are not as one, something to do with being an aged one, thanks, john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ_model_trains Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Hi yelrow I am with you on this, we should not have to worry about being told to read the manual, when something is new or different to what we have done before sometimes even reading the manual doesn't give us a clear vision of the problem or how to fix it. The forum is designed for us to chat and help each other, share how problems and get answers from those who know. I would prefer to be given a simple solution.. Amen Back to your main question...I am sure a member will help you. PJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Lights are function controlled, if you are using the elite it's a simple matter of using the function button to select function and pressing the on button and hey presto on the loco light come. If you are using the likes railmaster then I carn't help as full computer control isn't of interest to me as it takes a lot of the fun out of operating a model railway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The son of Triangman Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Function 0 and 1 on decoders are for directonal lighting so switching one of these on should work the lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 @yelrow You must be nearly there if you have found the drop down menu on the right, whilst in the Loco set-up area. I have just checked how mine operate and as well as having the cab-lights or coach lights selected from the drop down menu, I have also got a tick in the little box against each of these. If you have done that, close that screen down and go back to the main screen. You will find now that the Blue boxes at the bottom of the relevant loco entry now have the description you selected from the drop down menu. You can just click on the blue button you need now to select your lights. They do not come on all the time like they do on DC, you have to switch them on or off. This can of course be done in a program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1ngr4y Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 yelrow said: At the risk of being told to read the manual, i have locos whose lights are fine on DC, but when put on DCC, are lightless. I know its something to do with the drop down on the right, where it says cab lights, and have in theory clicked on this, but to no effect. Have not had the courage to try my lighted coaches yet. Do i also, have to do something , for them to work. I would prefer to br given a simple solution, as the manual and i , are not as one, something to do with being an aged one, thanks, john Hi John, No one has asked you this question yet... You say your locos lights work ok on DC - does this mean you have converted them to DCC yourself by adding a decoder, and, if so did you wire the lights to the correct wires coming from the decoder. Or were they 'DCC Ready' locos running on DC ? Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 Hi ray, Good question. No these are Brand New locos with fitted lights, DCC fitted. Run happily on DC with lights on, but on DCC, no lights. Its my lack of knowledge, thats the problem, but following up advice to date. My problem, is i am not a reader, dont read books of any sort, and find reading massive on line manuals difficult to grasp. I really am a plug and play guy, and have struggled with railmaster since december. I like the CDS that come with printers, etc, that show you where things go, demonstate etc. The product is great, its just all that reading ............. john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1ngr4y Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 In that case, the advice given by RDS is spot on. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 RDS< thanks very much, will look at asap. Not sure about putting them in a programme, stikk trying to get the station announcer. My fast train has long since passed through, and still silence.. john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Yelrow. I assume, from what you say, that you are not able to get certain functions such as lights to work on RailMaster. I've pointed this out before elsewhere, and it could help you. Incidentally, SoT, function 0 is usually lights and function 1 is always sound on/off. In the same way as the sound command, yelrow, have you set function 0 to "lights on/off"? If you don't do that, as I myself learned fairly recently, whereas you can switch that function on and then off on the Elite, without the on/off included in the RM lights function, the lights will just very rapidly switch on and then go off. This also applies to several other functions such as shunting mode, cylinder drain cocks, blowing off etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Also applies to cab lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hi yelrow, You didn't say if you are using a standard DCC controller. or Railmaster? (there is a forum for RM!). If a basic DCC controller, then F0 is used to switch lights off/on. Can't comment on RM. Coach lighting, unless fitted with dedicated DCC decoders, will always be on, as supplied by track voltage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 My memory is that yelrow is running eLink, therefore RM, so Graskie's advice should fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I inferred that from yelrow's very first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevalti Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I had a similar problem and eventually found that CV29 had been set to the wrong value.Briefly (because I barely understand it myself) the CV29 value should be set to the sum of various numbers that YOU need to add up depending upon what you want to function. One of those selection is whether you want the lights to work. Unless CV29 is set to the right value, no amount of fiddling with F0 settings and buttons will make the lights work. It sounds more complicated than it is. I suggest you search for guidance on the 'net for setting CV29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 What locos are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hi Nevalti, that's an interesting assertion. Here is the net advice on CV 29 at http://www.2mm.org.uk/articles/cv29%20calculator.htmIt is clear from this that none of the bits refers to lights on or off. Which bit did you change to affect lights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 That's how I read it too, but do Railmaster or the specific decoders use CV64 or CV128 Fishy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Lighting is F0 on standard decoders and wired via the yellow and white function wires with blue common. It's the standard setup and as Graskie says, with RM you need to ensure F0 says lights on/off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Some decoders use CV64 for lighting effects. From one manual "CV64=0 F1-F4 normal on/off. =1 (decoder brand) special light effect", which is why I asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Interesting poliss, another sneaky one hiding in the manufacturer defined area. You'd need to know what decoder you have for this. Still nothing in CV29, nor can there be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_french Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 hi I am haveing same prob with mine Yes it gives you the choice of cab lights / coach lights / lights on- off. But not direction lights Plus my loco's are not in hornbys 1500 loco list as they not hornby. 1 dapol & 1 graham farrish Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idlemarvel Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 If we're talking about using RailMaster to control the lights on a DCC fitted and working loco, then it ought to be straightforward. The names assigned to the buttons on the screen that maps functions to actions are just names, they are not significant (except for the on/off bit at the end). So when it says lights on/off that generally refers to directional lights which are generally set with F0. But you could call it "custard on/off" if you wanted; Hornby just provide a list of commonly occuring actions. So rename F0 to "directional lights on/off" if you wish. The key thing is to know what function turns the lights on/off and to assign that function in the RailMaster screen accordingly, remembering to include the on/off at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter _murray Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I am having the same problem. Directional lights working. Changed loco direction using elite then no lights. Have tried reversing the process but no luck. Did you ever solve the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter _murray Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Found the solution? Contrary to what has been written if you ask Railmaster to check CV Values and double click on CV 29 a question mark comes up. If you click on this information about the bits found in CV 29 comes up. Bit 2 clearly states that it must be on for directional lights to work ( different to bit 1 which is loco direction) set bit 2 correctly and the lights will work again. I did this and it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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