plug47 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I have just bought a brand new DCC ready Brighton Belle. I tested it on DC first to check it was working ok before I put the DCC chip in. Everything was fine including all the table lamps. I put the chip in and it runs fine in both directions. I pressed function 1 as per the instuctions but the table lamps didn't work. I tried all the other function numbers as well, but to no avail. I then thought it may be a dodgy chip so I put another one in but the lamps still don't work. Has anyone else had the same problem? Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Did you press and hold the Function button + 1 for one second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plug47 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 tried that - no good. Any other ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Does it still work on DC with the decoder installed (if the chip is DC capable of course - some aren't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Does the lighting function get automatically assigned to F1 - or do you have to do it? If the latter. have you done this? R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not familiar with the Brighton Belle, but the coach lights in my EMU are switched on/off using F8. I believe F8 is fairly standard for interior DCC enabled lighting. It is usually the directional lighting that is F1 controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Directional lighting is always F0 on Hornby decoders. I suppose it depends on the make of the decoder as to which F# operates what service and obviously how you impliment that Function depends upon the controller.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2e0dtoeric Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Plug47, what controller are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissaf Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not familiar with the Brighton Belle, but the coach lights in my EMU are switched on/off using F8. I believe F8 is fairly standard for interior DCC enabled lighting. It is usually the directional lighting that is F1 controlled. .@RAF96Directional lighting is always F0 on Hornby decoders..Quite right Rob, F0 not F1 for directional lighting..........teach me to rely on just my elderly memory, should have checked first before posting. On my EMU, F8 is still interior lighting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montywb Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I can cofirm that F1 turns the table lamps on and off in the Brighton Belle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Does the Belle go in the same direction as your other locos when forward is selected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plug47 Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Thanks to all for your suggestions. My controller is Hornby Elite. The train instructions say that F1 controls the table lamps, so it must be already programmed. I can't find any instructions in the Elite manual for resetting function settings. I have tried all the F buttons including F8. I don't think the Hornby chip can run on DC, I don't want to take a chance on damaging it. If I take the chip out the lamps still work on DC, but still not with the chip in??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 The Hornby decoder is fine on DC. You won't cause any damage to it.Just to check, you have selected the loco before pressing the function key?The reason I asked if the loco goes in the same direction as the others is that the wiring on the socket may be reversed, in which case the lights won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog RJ Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Try turning the decoder round 180 degrees in the socket. If you have the decoder reversed it will stop the lights working.Having the decoder the wrong way round doesn't cause any harm but does stop the lights from working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plug47 Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 Thanks to everyone for the suggestions, gave me lots of ideas. I took the chip out of the train and tested it on dc just to confirm that the lamps were still working properly. I then reinserted the chip the wrong way round i.e.turning the decoder round 180 degrees in the socket. As expected the train ran backwards, but low and behold the lamps worked when I pressed function 1. So the problem appeared to be in the wiring of the train. The first thing I tried was to alter the command wire. The instruction leafet with the chip states that the white wire works function 1. With the decoder conection turned around the white wire went into pin 2. So I joined the white wire from the chip to the yellow wire on the conector and put it back in the train the correct way round. The train ran in the right direction but the lamps did not work. Plan 2. It seemed that to get the lamps to work the connection needed to be reversed so I rejoined the white wire to the white pin but this time chaned the wires to the motor. i.e. joined the orange wire to the grey pin - motor right and the grey wire to the orange pin - motor left. Hey presto the train runs in the correct direction AND the lamps work. I don't like to be beaten! The problem certainly seems to be in the wiring of the train. I would be interested to know if anybody else experienced this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Don't think you needed to rewire the socket. You could have changed the default direction in CV29.For reverse direction, DC Off and Long Address enabled you would write 35 to CV29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plug47 Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 You gonna confuse me with logic I don't wanna chit-chat!! - I think that's all a bit beyond me as yet. I didn't get all the CV stuff when I read the handbook - maybe later, I'm ok at cutting wires at the moment!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Hornby have made a video that explains how to change CVs using the Elite. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 You gonna confuse me with logic I don't wanna chit-chat!! - I think that's all a bit beyond me as yet. I didn't get all the CV stuff when I read the handbook - maybe later, I'm ok at cutting wires at the moment!! So having bodged the wiring on your loco to work after a fashion, what will you do if the decoder fails and you have to fit a replacement that wants to work to the NMRA standard wiring arrangement.A basic understanding of CV29 is at the heart of being able to operate DCC effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 The socket was wired incorrectly RAF. Plug has fixed it so that it's wired the right way. I was just pointing out an easier way of fixing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 The socket was wired incorrectly RAF. Plug has fixed it so that it's wired the right way. I was just pointing out an easier way of fixing things.Apologies then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plug47 Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 Hi RAF96 & poliss. Just to make things absolutely clear. I haven't touched the wiring in the train. The wires I altered were the ones from the decoder to the plug, so that the messages to the train would be reversed and it would the go the right way. If the decoder stops working for any reason and I need to fit another one, as the train will still be incorrect I will have to do the same thing again.I will check out that link about cvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Martyn Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I just fitted a Gaugemaster DCC27 decoder in my Brighton Belle and can confirm the table lights did not work. reversing the decoder plug got them to work. I guess I need to (at some point) change the running direction with it's CV but as the train is symetrical I can't see any reason. My Belle was the one sold around 2016 the 1934 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micky.b Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Thanks for that Santa Martyn, I also have the early Belle and the interior lamps have never worked. I just thought it was Hornby being cheap and not fitting them. Now I know what to do to fix it after 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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