The Doc Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I wonder if, having managed to make a beautiful Cock o' the North P2 , Hornby could consider the streamlined version with the A4 style front? All 6 P2s ended up with the streamlined front, though I am aware that there are many differences between the individual engines. Could the mouldings be designed so that all the variants could be produced (at least in theory)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Hi Doc I agree, I'd love the streamliner. I didn't buy the current model because I just don't like the shape!!If they did the A4 shaped variant I'd have all 6 (I wouldn't really, but it sounds good) I was very disappointed when I found out that it was the original that was being produced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 There is a group in Doncaster who hope to create a replica of the Bugatti front version . Not too much occuring just now unfortunately.P2.www.facebook.com/pages/Doncaster-P2-Locomotive Trust - Cock O' The North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doc Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 There is a group in Doncaster who hope to create a replica of the Bugatti front version . Not too much occuring just now unfortunately.P2.www.facebook.com/pages/Doncaster-P2-Locomotive Trust - Cock O' The North Yes, thanks for the link - I've just had a look at their pages but it seems that the A1 steam locomotive trust are some way ahead of the Doncaster group in their project to build a new P2 "Prince of Wales" with the original non-streamlined front. I doubt if there is enough money out there in the steam preservation world to fund two completely new builds. Maybe the Doncaster P2 group could get together with Hornby and produce a model to help raise funds - a bit like Locomotion and the National Railway Museum have done with Bachmann over several locos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 There are about a dozen new builds on the cards Doc. Some well on their way. Probably cheaper than refurbishing an old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahBunyan Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Hi Doc,You "might" (don't really quote me on this) but you might see one one day as a RailRoad model. Have a look at this link: file:///C:/Users/Jeremiah/Downloads/hss_401b_class_p2_dcc.pdf /media/tinymce_upload/d2418d3a439c85924b19a41c8a7c3589.jpg If you look closely the weight placed in the P2 boiler is shaped like an A4 rather that the current one. That's probably a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Good spotting there Sherlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Ah, but will they ALSO do the 4-6-2 rebuild as well?? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doc Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Well spotted, JBM.As for the 4-6-2 rebuilds, I'd go for one of those as well. In fact, if Hornby were really crafty, they could probably use one chassis for all three classes of Thompson A2, and with some clever design maybe the tooling could be adapted to cater for all three body styles. Note that I said clever design, not "design clever", which my Uxbridge English Dictionary defines as "moulded handrails just like old Tri-ang models ".Incidentally, some people think that the Thompson Pacifics were a bit ugly. I can only think that this is because the cylinders were set further back rather than between the bogie wheels, as they look pretty much like typical LNER locos in every other respect. What do others think about them appearance wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I have always liked the look of the Thompson Pacifics, then again I like the unusual, that's why I get on well with Postman Prat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graskie Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Perhaps that the reason why I just can't get on with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malB Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Yes indeed would be nice to see the Bugati nosed P2 as well as the original pair. Of course the simplest at the moment is the second engine as it had the conventional Walschaert/Gresley conjugated motion, along with blinkers as the exhaust was softer than that of 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'd also like the 4-6-2 version of the P2s. There's an element of 'ugly charm' about them. I think the ugly bit springs from the cylinder position which makes them appears excessively long. This was due to Thompson's wish to have connecting rods on the inside and outside cylinders the same length. If a Thompson 'Pacific' was produced that would mean all 4-6-2 tender engines were available, apart from 'Great Bear', which is ugly without the charm. I'm now packing to leave the country!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Why pack? There are GW fanatics overseas as well, you may run but you will not hide!! I can get away with it because as a Southern enthusiast so I am regarded as beyond all hope, an object of pity and a good target for ridicule! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 PP everything about the Great Bear was wrong from the stupid little tender to the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 PP everything about the Great Bear was wrong from the stupid little tender to the front. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Why pack? There are GW fanatics overseas as well, you may run but you will not hide!! I can get away with it because as a Southern enthusiast so I am regarded as beyond all hope, an object of pity and a good target for ridicule! Actually a good written description of a Southern fan. I'll have to remember that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doc Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'd also like the 4-6-2 version of the P2s. There's an element of 'ugly charm' about them. I think the ugly bit springs from the cylinder position which makes them appears excessively long. This was due to Thompson's wish to have connecting rods on the inside and outside cylinders the same length. If a Thompson 'Pacific' was produced that would mean all 4-6-2 tender engines were available, apart from 'Great Bear', which is ugly without the charm. I'm now packing to leave the country!!!Actually there are a couple of other LNER pacifics not yet mentioned - Thompson's A1 rebuild of Great Northern (I'd buy one of those), and Sir Vincent Raven's NE A2, of which 5 (I think) were made, but which were scrapped in the 30s so never made it into BR days (less likely to sell in good numbers). They were quite elegant but not as sleek or as powerful as Gresley's A1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Must admit I'd forgotten both. I'm not at all fond of the Raven 'Pacifics' and I'd prefer to continue forgetting the rebuilt 'Great Northern' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_burrows Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 The topic was raised on Friday in mremag regarding conversion of the current Hornby model to a streamlined version. However, like many, a rtr version from Hornby themselves would be something I would purchase, and I suspect would be popular and sell well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 There is still a group in Doncaster planning to re-create a P2 with Bugatti front for real. Not heard anything from them recently but I was tapped up by them for a donation at the York toyfair earlier this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4489 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I have the model of the origional 2001 and noticed that the smokebox forward is a separate part... maybe hornby plan to just put a new nose on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rule 1 Applies Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I have the model of the origional 2001 and noticed that the smokebox forward is a separate part... maybe hornby plan to just put a new nose on. When I saw this thread just now, I was about to post exactly the same comment. With the 'pull off' front end and A4-shaped weight, it would see Hornby at least gave itself the option. Thane of Fife in Bugatti-nose form, in fictitional BR express blue and numbered 60505 might help in a small way to erase the memories of the hideous A2/2 butchering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_horne Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 It would be brilliant to have the streamlined (improved) final version in the Hornby range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Hornby does have the option to do all the different 'Bugatti' fronted LNER locomotives.They have the A4 of course,Then there is the possibility of the P2, they have a chassis to adapt,and let's not forget the B17/5 for the Great Eastern section, would fit on the Sandringham chassis would it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now