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Indeed there was the GWR carriage for the first journey in 1842, there is another GWR mentioned (refs not to hand so paraphrasing) 20ft long based on broad gauge... If the railway didn't have a specific carriage for royal use they would 'fit one up' vase of flowers and bunting?

LBR QV's carriage of 1843 The Royal carriage13x7ft is QV's royal carriage built Nov 1843 (from multiple press reports), it was still being used as late as 1849. Note I quote 13x7ft, the majority of news articles indicate the descriptions came from a LBR 'press release'. LBR: From Liverpool Mail - Saturday 01 August 1846, 'The carriage was built under the superintendence of Mr Wright, the chief of the carriage department, and the internal decorations furnished by Messrs. Gillows, the eminent upholsterers of Oxford Street.' LNWR: Stirling Observer - Thursday 27 September 1849 - it was built circa Oct 1842 by Messrs. Wright & Sons of Birmingham & London at a cost of £1200. Mr. Wright, Wright & Sons coincidence? We shall see in the next post. Quoted article Sun 28 Nov 1843: 'Queen Dowager's carriage' - saloon should have been referenced here? Next in the article. 'Her Majesty's saloon carriage will succeed the Queen Dowager's' - the writer cannot include carriage or saloon after 'Dowager's' as it would not scan correctly ie repetition. As Bee has correctly stated it could also infer the Queen Dowager had a saloon carriage. Another verifiable saloon No.2: Morning Post - Friday 17 October 1845 'were conducted to the saloon-carriage' Saloon No.2 Does this imply a saloon No.1, if so and it was QVs it wouldn't have a number. So could saloon No.2 have been later?

'currently it is a non-runner - not responding to a dc test' dc setup, controller, how are you testing?

There is a std format for product information on the website. The 'product file' being passed to the 'online team' in many cases is inaccurate or just missing information or there are differences between the same product where there are multiple entries for a product. This is quite simply a management failure at Hornbys end.

Another good source is your local planning dept. If they have an online version various planning applications for the area may show old maps in the 'documents' section for the application. If I have found the correct station , you'll likely need to truncate it. The station alone will be= 3.7m long!

The records are held by the City of Westminster Archives Centre, they have 30 files 1828-1959. Visiting and researching is likely to be time/cost prohibitive.The link is tenuous between Hoopers Intl and Hoopers & Co. 'Hooper and Co closed in 1959, by which time they were a subsidiary company of the Birmingham Small Arms Company.' - not checked yet as from the brief bio on TNA. The same bio indicates Hooper & Co was formed in 1846 which ties in with what we know. I shall approach the restoration team at the NRM to see if they can shed any light on a makers mark. A working hypothesis for the date of 1845 is the orderly winding down of the company and clearing of the order books.

I have received a reply from the Science Museum. I am disappointed. 'It’s widely reported as being built in 1842 by the London and Birmingham Railway. I would assume that the Morning Post would have received their information from the L&BR at the time they published the article.' No primary source, just repetition of a commonly held view. The view being perpetuated by the Science Museum who would be regarded as a trusted source which makes the date become an accepted fact which is then repeated. Adams also had another carriage building partnership that was 'terminated' in 1845, the notices only appearing in 1851 probably due his financial affairs being put in order due to ill health, he died Nov 1851. I suspect he 'retired' in 1845. As to the makers plate if it had one it would be Adams & Hooper, if serviced later it may have been amended as Bee has suggested. The problem I have at present is whether the carriage was actually used.

RE:makers plate, I would expect to see Adams & Hooper and maybe a date. London gazette 1851 Timothy George Adams and George Hooper, carrying on business as Coach Makers, at No. 28, Haymarket, in the city of Westminster, under the style or firm of Adams and Hooper, expired by effluxion of time, and was dissolved on the 6th day of July 1845.—Witness our hands this 25th day of September 1851. Timothy George Adams (1784-1851) George Hooper (1795-1878) Hooper Internationals version of their own history may be also wrong, 'The company was founded as Adams and Hooper in 1805' Hooper may not have joined until 1829-1830, the previous partnership was between Adams & Edridge. RE: travelling alone, very very unlikely. QA suffered regular bouts of illness, a grave one occurring at the end of 1841. She then took up a lease on Witley Court some time later in 1842, the three year lease expiring March 1846. The normal method of travel from Witley court would be horse and carriage with escort to Droitwich station then by train to Euston. Was it truly a bed carriage for 'overnight stays' or convertible to a sick bed carriage?

Yes you would think the science museum (SM) would check. SM mentions the body was built in Gough St, for the period we have Joseph Wright coach builder. I have emailed the science museum to supply provenance for the date they have quoted.

And a 'cat amongst the pigeons' Morning Post Friday 28th March 1845 ' The directors of the London and Birmingham Railway- Company, with their accustomed liberality, have recently- constructed a new state carriage expressly for the use of her Majesty, which will be brought into use for the first time- on Tuesday next.' This could explain why the discussion on RM couldn't find any ref. to the carriage being built in 1842. It has been written QAs coach was built to a similar style to QVs coach. QVs coach for LSWR was built Oct 1844.

Good ideas but a non starter in reality. Self build dependant upon user physical/mental ability, so left with fitting body to chassis with press/jig mechanism. Custom graphics on loco may be possible, but how much for Tampoprint HYBRID 90-2?

prev post awaiting approval..depending upon what you need etc X67 Carbon Brushes X1 Pair, For X03 X04 EMB Motors X298 Brush Lead & Clip -- the proper part instead of having a soldered 'brush' the motor will also need a couple drops of oil on the felt pads, commutator cleaned plus a wheel clean etc

Its basically an x04 motor with syncro smoke unit prev user has soldered the 2 red wires directly to brush, common 'fix' also should have 2 brushes, they slot in black part in diagram, 1 each side held in place by spring, insulated part against brush with the wires check black part has 2 slots and isn't broken and just noticed, by yellow sleeve lhs, check wires/solder isn't touching the motor/magnet

I think there may have been a 'cock up' on LBR's side. The body should have been '3 carriage based' but the underframe was too short so that is why the end compartment is truncated. The middle compartment door would be also be central. The step board may have been a later modification as royal carriages tended to have individual steps for each compartment. Added when raised platforms became more common?

@Bee,Tom What is the date for Cranes print?

More thoughts: the opening to the wagon is likely to be narrower than the total combined chute width to create a pinch point to stop Mr. Piggy trying to leave the wagon during loading. This would give an estimated wagon opening of 4.5-5ft. The door could be held in the upright/open position by a simple pin mechanism, once loaded, pin removed door drops down, a one person operation ie our stick man. Of course all hypothetical, the jigsaw piece fits but the picture may be wrong. Other considerations: If we look at the local area the industrial/urban landscape is well developed it may be at the time the map was made the 'station' was purely a destination with the livestock bound for local consumption. The possibility should also be considered as it had a cattle yard labelled but no pens it was no longer used for cattle.

I think the OS man would have drawn an earthen ramp. Map is 1848, had wagon design changed much by then?

The chutes was also a ramp up to the height of the retaining wall, allowing loading straight into the wagon. Feature A: the chute sides are 'full length' as is the one on the far right, assumed as safe working space for the swine herder. Wagon: from the remaining 'pig chutes' we have a door opening of 6ft. There isn't enough room for a drop down door it would foul the chutes, so it must be sliding either up or down. If we consider that loading ramps weren't a std width and the engine driver couldn't position the wagon to an accuracy of 1ft or may be less, two sliding doors may have been used allowing different door widths and position. For straight loading the wagon would be approximately 8ft wide. Missing: the cattle yard is marked but no cattle pens. NLS map : https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=21.8&lat=53.47872&lon=-2.26659&layers=117746212&b=1 EDIT: a bit of subconscious bias has crept in with regards to wagon design, I was considering a closed type wagon, if we consider a simple open wagon more possibilities arise.

'reducing the excessive, historical, inventory position through the remainder of the year.' I look forward to more up to 50% off sales.

What is the mechanics for loading/unloading the livestock?

@St1ngr4y, I believe a broadcast of 'everything off' is sent not individual commands. From reading various resources elink uses xpressnet which may have an internal limit of 30 locos/ids. As RM only sends and receives commands its not constrained by the aforementioned limit.

It's not the end but the 'pool' is shrinking. It has always been a niche hobby needing space and money. If we consider modern UK housing every sq ft is utilised, lofts are no longer designed to be used for other purposes. So a prime consideration is space which rules out 00 leaving TT120. There is no cheap entry route to TT120, this becomes a gamble for the parents, big investment that little Timmy may become bored with after a week. Bricks & mortar retailing is basically dead you can do everything online visting shops is now more a social function. Rose tinted spectacles will go on about the good old days when they used to visit Bobs emporium of toys and games, missing the fact they weren't really that good as you didn't have a choice.

A shopkeeper doesn't fill his shop with a years supply. A steady release of models means a steady cashflow and more are likely to be sold. I am surprised the catalogue isn't released to coincide with Christmas to be browsed after the traditional feast.

If you look in the Hornby 'shop' there is no mention of HM7k for this model. Just 21pin ready. If the alternate orientation also doesn't fit... If the screws are long and thin enough the inside from a biro snipped off with scissors may be a suitable riser. If the screws are too short, 'Hello customer services...'

@threelink, the character to the right appears to be wearing a military style hat. The double ended carriage appears to have evolved over time with the two ends becoming compartments in their own right. LBRs' 1843 carriage for Queen Victoria appears to show the 2 compartments as additions to the main body. VIP as opposed to run of the mill 1st class appear custom built Adelaides saloon No.2. When I get to grips with freeCAD I may make a post for QVs' LBR carriage.