What About The Bee

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Sorry 96RAF. My head wandered away. Posting this at 5:24 GMT. We need to wait until my edit time expires, which should be 5:39 GMT. I will set an alarm for 5:54 GMT, giving you plenty of time to jump in and give me that firm Moderator edit! About 5:44 should do it! Bee mod note - edit at 17:40 GMT. secondary edit at 17:41 to note that under my edit it says 'expires instead of expired'

If you examine the principles of Social Credit in certain societies, you will discover the same principles at work here in the Hornby Forum. The system in place here is to encourage some behaviors and discourage others. In general, all societies have such a system, but usually not presented so overtly. When walking around in public, do you carry a placard indicating your credit rating? Does the placard include your educational level? Perhaps how many locomotives you own? If you do not carry that placard around in public, then why would you want a placard here? Bee

Am I to understand that a comment by a moderator on my post then adds an additional 15 minute edit period?? Bee This is unclear. So, let’s test it. This edit at your posting time +4 minutes. R-

A big part of the hobby, for me, is the research and original source materials. A new discovery can readily contradict an earlier supposition. Example: A and B are the data points. Thus, I can declare conclusion C. But data point D emerges, contradicting C. This happened explicitly during the investigation of Locomotion No.1's rolling stock. My choice was to edit the post, to add a statement to the original conclusion stating it was wrong, without modifying the original conclusion. This new edit policy requires that I know all things before one post, and eliminates the nature of research. If a person does not read far enough down in the replies, that person may never discover the new fact, or realize there is a factual error. Bee

LT&SR_NSE They appear to be based on calendar time and/or quantity of posts. That is to say, longevity of participation and /or the prolific nature of the participant. I must say, I don't like the system. I do not deserve the badges they give me, and I have empathy for the new guy who meanders in. Will that person be intimidated by some lofty (and quite meaningless) badge? Especially so if they will have the neophyte level of badge, but really are an expert and just are posting here first time. A badge for moderators is fine. The sheriffs should have badges, to let us know. Other than that? No thanks. I actually looked to see if I could turn mine off. If there was a way to do that, I would do it now. Bee

At first, I tried my usual method of composing the text elsewhere, with <cr> but no extra <cr>. In the older forum, this would result in a <cr><cr>, because every <cr> gets the substitution <cr><cr>. That doesn't work anymore. Example Two lines Just <cr> Now I use <cr><cr>. Example Two lines Double <cr> It is a WYSIWYG. Which I decidedly prefer. Makes interpretation of the text in the other editor much easier. Yet if I type <cr> directly into this edit box, not pasting it in, I get <cr><cr>. Which is anomalous. Pasted carriage returns <cr> are treated differently than typed <cr>. Bee

The big challenge for most everyone is that it is different. Being used to doing things one way, and then being told to do it another way. It is just a new tool. We will get used to it soon enough. Go with the flow. Bee

Hiya JJ The modern algorithm notices your activity. It then offers you more of what you like to do. Rallymatt has is quite right! Bee

No worries RDS. I was bringing it forward to moderator attention. Imagine a guy who posts Electrical Help (Here's looking at you Paul). Which help image should be deleted? I know this will be sorted. The information is 200 years old anyway. A few more days is somewhat irrelevant 😉 Bee

Toying with ideas. Not "trying with ideas" I only get one edit???? Bee

I appear to be over my "attachment limit". Now I could go and delete images out of older threads, and destroy the content and flow. For example: the carriages and waggons associated with Locomotion No.1. Folks may wish to refer to them when, in about a year, Hornby releases their S&DR anniversary packs. Yet I think that a more rational approach would be better. self reporting this to the mods! Weeeee! Bee

Thanks. Just realized if the forum asks for display name, I am a guest. Needed to sign in Bee

Hi Al Along the lines of trying with ideas: 1) A book labeled "Log Book". Active hours are generally constrained and thus recorded. A Log Book may or may not fit with your era and railway, but could logically and easily fit. Of course, the running joke wiil be that your engineer appears "glued to his seat and never goes off duty." 😁 2) A clipboard with a sheaf of papers labeled "Manifest" with illegible lines below it, so the manifest suits any consist. 3) Many crew will travel with a duty bag. It would carry required equipment, manuals, tools, safety gear, etc. Kind of like a very oversized briefcase. One each for conductor and engineer. 4) In cooler weather, the crew will have work jackets or even work coats. The cab is heated, of course, so a coat or jacket hanging on the back wall would be appropriate. 5) I like Rana's idea about tea. A proper mug with all the accoutrements. A wisp of cotton will make it a steaming cup of tea. 6) Two way radios? Long consists will require remote crew communications. Bee

An example of distractions in the cab. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN01528355/

Hi Atom Newspapers would be perfect for passengers. Modern image modelers could certainly go with a ubiquitous cell phone in hand But for the crew, a different set of rules applies. I do not know how it is in the UK, but here in the US, the interior of the cab is recorded. Up until recently, this was voluntary, but the FRA is now mandating compliance, with a 12 hour loop. If you want to lose your job as an engineer, this is an easy way. Newspapers in the cab is a no no. Bee Edit to add: all the control settings are recorded, some on a ½ second update rate

LennyC's faithless review is now removed from the Locomotion No.1 product page. My question about the coupling was not posted. Sure, I know the answer, because I had the temerity to directly ask staff. Hornby also published the answer in Engine Shed so, yes, the question has been answered. Yet not for the next person only browing the product page. There were some interesting details in Engine Shed about the Locomotion No.1 model. Plus, an overhead shot of the valve gear. Worth a peek! Bee

Further research has revealed this carriage to make only the very briefest of appearances. We have notice that Stephenson was going to experiment with it, and one week later, reports of Huskisson's joy ride. That constitutes the entire record. The joy ride reports are not simply reprints, some do have different details. One report notes the proprietors caution regarding the 1¼ mile joy ride down through the Wapping Tunnel: "...lest an accident occur ... the waggons were not permitted to run at full speed, but the velocity was nevertheless great, the ride was performed in about 5 minutes". The maths work out to 15 mph. How they didn't explode into atoms from the incredible velocity is beyond me 😉. There was also a 'famous' race horse named Velocipede during this same time frame, leading me down a series of false positives. Amusing to relate now, not so amusing during the search. Bee

Thank you Rana. Mr Petrie was a founding member of the Guild of Railway Artists. It was quite fitting that he would illustrate those inspiring scenes Bee

Hi Colin You asked why " people get so twitchy over YouTubers"? YouTube offers a window like no other. You can see what hundreds, if not thousands, of modelers are doing. Techniques, scenery, ballast, aqueducts, you name it and naturally, product reviews. All from the comfort of home. I need not join a club or talk to anyone. I can watch at my leisure, or turn the unappealing nonsense off. I like Charlie's videos. He is enthusiastic. His videos are well edited. The subject matter is coherently presented. He has a terrific layout. Fundamentally, this combination is why his channel wins awards. But I had no reference frame to evaluate that particular remark, hence why I asked. Now answered. Thank you Colin. Bee

With passenger traffic well underway¹, the Liverpool and Manchester railway turned its attention to freight. We have notice of the first pigs to travel by railway, ever, in May of 1831. We also have notice, in October of 1831, that traffic of sheep and "horned cattle" will soon begin. Progress Report: Cattle Waggon The latest prints came back from Shapeways. A trial fit of parts is always in order. The deficiencies in the floor are corrected. The bolts in the slat sides were made taller. This had the unfortunate affect of making them very fragile. I noted several were missing, directly upon removal from the shipping bag². This will need correction in design. The height of the bolts did make them much easier to blacken without touching the background. The irregular bolt pattern is caused by missing bolts. Painting up to the bolts, but not over, was much more readily accomplished. The bolts are now ~1/64" high. Quite happy with the way these waggons are turning out. Version 1.5 on left with taller bolts, 1.0 on right. Ackermann: Cattle on left, pigs on right. Bee ¹It is noted that 460,000 passengers traveled on the LMR in the first year, alone. ²they were not in the bag, leading me to believe that they broke off at Shapeways. It is my design in error.

Thank you Rallymatt. I have nothing to base Charlie's assertion on and thought to test that with those I trust. He does seem to be quite popular with those who vote for "best youtuber". Perhaps that was a misguided moment by Charlie. He is doing a very good job on presenting his layout. I certainly did not mean to ruffle any feathers. Bee

Welp, it is clear I misunderstood your missive ThreeLink. Sorry about that! Bee

Hi BritInVanCA American here, in the USA. I feel your anguish. The models I want are not in the HornbyUSA store. No LMR or other Era 1 morsel? Yeah, no thanks. So I do not bother, even though the Hornby UK webpages seem determined to send me back here. There is one basic solution. Peruse the UK pages and pay for it to be shipped here. I know, I know. Its expensive. Not as rich as the lads in Australia pay, but it is steep. Is Hornby correct to not sell UK models here? I've seen any number of Hornby models on eBay, product location in North America. Surely you have too. So there is an interest. Is it enough to satisfy Hornby? They may not think so. Bee

Some new information has emerged regarding curtains and carriages. The information has been gleaned from the British press. The first is an article from the Caledonian Mercury, dated 30 Sept 1830. 15 days after Opening Day. In it, the correspondent indicated that a carriage had a central compartment "fitted up like a stage coach¹, but with more glass". Further, that the other compartments if that carriage "had merely curtains to draw in case of rain". You will note that these are the "superior" carriages, and that lesser carriages exist. The Caledonian Mercury informs us that the lesser carriages are only with a covering above; and by direct implication, not the sides. (Remember, you can zoom these images to read the text) I have provided an illustration of curtain carriages before, by Crane. Henry Booth himself illustrates one, Queen Adelaide. Dawson, digging through Board records, identifies four carriages constructed thusly: Croxteth, Fair Trader, Queen Adelaide and Royal William. The Derby Mercury, dated 13 October 1830 provides richer data. In fact, it unlocks the reason why curtain carriages went away. "Complaints ... first class carriages ... quite open on the sides". The Directors apologize and offer that "first class carriages now depart ... are either glass carriages or completely curtained". Full stop. "Completely curtained"? This statement could be interpreted that individual compartments are completely curtained. Alternatively, that the entire carriage is completely curtained. Yet the association, however you take it, is that curtains are associated with first class, and in referencing the first newspaper article, not second class. There is only one completely curtained carriage ever illustrated: the Booth Carriage realized in Hornby R30090. Unlike the Hornby assertion, this is an early first class carriage. "Very shortly, all the carriages will be protected from the weather. Additional coaches are building ... to render railway conveyance ... satisfactory to the public." Assessment? The LMR got rid of curtain carriages because the public didn't like them. The early Fall would have been quite brisk on the LMR, engendering those complaints. I had originally thought that the LMR would have put the curtain carriages away because they were summer only. The public thought so too, and complained enough for the LMR Directors to notice within weeks of opening and to cause them to take action. Dawson records that two of the curtain carriages were converted by 1832 (Queen Adelaide and Royal William) with the remaining two converted in 1833. We only see the fully curtained carriage in Booth (1830) and Walker (1831), and then they disappear from the record as well. Bee ¹I came across a printed list of corny jokes from 1828. One was "When is a door not a door? When it is a jar", proving that this joke has been in circulation for 200 years. Another is "What are the best shoes for wet weather? Pumps". So called dad jokes. This one is interesting. "Why are glass coaches so plentiful in London? Because they are without number". The joke relies upon the fact that hack carriages for hire did not have a number displayed. The interest for me is that the term glass carriage (coach) did not originate with the LMR. Further, the term was so readily accepted, it appears in a joke in 1828. A reference point for the public when advertising fares. The term refers to a window that could be raised in inclement weather, made of glass.