What About The Bee

My understanding of these instructions is as follows. The fuses are on the output side of the transformer. You could, of course, confirm this with a volt-ohm meter. The electrical plate of the transformer indicates the output at 1 amp at 12 volts. Conservatively, then, select 0.9 amp @ 12 VDC. Feeling bold? 1 amp @ 12VDC. In other words, the fuse should match the rating or slightly less. Bee

Hello Alberto I came to the international forum for the first time, ever, as the moderators said your videos would be here. I always considered your videos to be about your layouts and fun in general. Bee

Hello 96RAF A question regarding the 'new platform': Will the content of this, about to become the old platform, be lost? When Hornby transitioned to this forum, some great content went missing. It would be a shame if that error was repeated. Bee

In the previous post, I suggested that the carriage of the Duke of Sussex might just be more opulent than the Gentlemen's Carriage in the London and Birmingham Railway illustration. Well, it was Carriage of Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, uncle to Queen Victoria, in Queen Victoria's coronation parade. With escort of Life Guards, grooms in livery, carriage drawn by six bay horses. Handcoloured aquatint engraving from Fores' Correct Representation of the State Procession on the Occasion of the August Ceremony of Her Majesty's Coronation, June 28th 1838, published by Fores, Sporting and Fine Print Repository, Piccadilly, London, 1838. I will suggest that a carriage used on 28 June 1838 would likely be the one used in September of 1838. It is of course possible that the Duke had multiple carriages and only used this one for state occasions. Nevertheless, it is suggestive of what was to hand on Opening Day of the LBR. Bee

I finally took the plunge and wrote directly to Hornby Head of Development. Out of respect for the gentleman's inbox, I will not publish his contact details even if asked. I apologized for going out of channel, but asked the question about the coupling Locomotion No.1 is to have. Here is what he had to say: ×××××××××× Firstly, I apologise for the misleading information on our website. We have passed over the information to the website team but sometimes it can take a while for the information to update on the website. The answer to your question, locomotion will be supplied with the following: Moulded chain type coupling – suitable for Hornby era 1 rolling stock. A metal chain type coupling with magnet – to mate with Accurascale Chaldrons. A metal chain with a moulded NEM plug – That can be connected to any piece of rolling stock that has an NEM pocket. ××××××××× A couple of things I note from this 1) The Development team had already updated the Web team, and it had not been fully rolled out to the public. Am I too impatient or is Hornby not managing expectations properly? Probably both. 2) I think R30346 Locomotion No.1 will have a fine scale chain peg. This will permit the fine scale chain to attach. Additionally, a chain with magnet will have a link that slips over the peg. This is very similar to the adapter I made quite some time ago. 3) The "metal chain with moulded NEM plug". I think the plug fits into the NEM pocket on your rolling stock. Locomotion will not have a NEM pocket. Bee

Who was the first member of the British Royal Family to ride in a Train? If you ask the internet, it will say "Queen Adelaide, in 1840". We already know that the date is wrong. Queen Adelaide traveled by train on 15 Sept 1839. But is Her Highness the Dowager Queen the first member of the British Royal Family to travel by train? No, no she was not! So says Bee! The Saint James Chronicle, dated 18 September 1838 documents opening day on the London and Birmingham Railway, 17 Sept 1838. A special train left Euston Station with Mr. [Robert] Stephenson, among the railway officials and "His Royal Highness, the Duke of Sussex, suite and two carriages". 'Suite' in this context means his court, while 'carriages' refers to horse drawn carriages. The train consisted of "16 first class carriages and mails, and four gentlemen's carriages." "Gentlemen's carriages", in this context, are the horse drawn carriages, only now they are on flatbed wagons. Who was His Royal Highness, the Duke of Sussex? Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, was the sixth son and ninth child of King George III and his queen consort, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. Wikipedia states that Duke of Sussex is a substantive title, one of several royal dukedoms in the Peerage of the United Kingdom. It is a hereditary title of a specific rank of nobility in the British Royal Family. So the first member of the British Royal Family to ride by train was Prince Augustus Frederick, on 17 Sept 1838.¹ This is confirmed by The Morning Chronicle, of 19 September 1838 Sept 17. The directors of the London and Birmingham Railway ... had the honor of conveying His Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex ... His Royal Highness alighted at Rugby Station... London and Birmingham Railway Carriages, illustrated. This partially fanciful drawing was published by The Mirror of 22 July 1837. On the top row, the locomotive is a Rocket-class, complete with sloping cylinders. Antiquated by 1837. The tender is referred to as a "supply carriage". Next are two "first class carriages". Last is a "Gentlemen's private barouche". A barouche is a horse drawn four wheeled carriage. The opening day train had Gentlemen's carriages, but likely the Duke's was more opulent. In the middle row, the "Royal Mail, next are excursion carriages and carriages for passengers, generally". The article states that the carriages have been built by "Mr. Wright, contractor for the Royal Mails" Finally, a sheep wagon with no doors. Bee ¹As far as I know.

Hi Alberto Lively electric. Do the pantagraphs come up, as shown in the photograph of the real one? Bee

I've dropped the Science Museum a note. The text under Queen Adelaide's Saloon No.2 indicates that Queen Adelaide's first railway journey was in 1840. Evidence I produced in this thread pushes the date to 15 October 1839, from a report in The Sun dated 16 Oct 1839, stating "Her Majesty Queen Adelaide having appointed yesterday to leave London by the London and Birmingham Railway...." I will update the forum with any result of this communication. Bee

Hi Ausrym My reading suggests matching the handedness only applied to the GWR, and that the other railways were not like minded. The models you reference are BR, so I would suggest the GWR rules no longer were in play. Have fun! Bee

This intriguing print, per the British Museum, is the Royal Saloon that Queen Victoria rode in, in 1842. The British Museum asserts that the print was made in 1843. A novelty, note the title on the print "The Royal Railroad Carriage" In my previous post, it was shown that the GWR had constructed a Royal Saloon carriage in 1840. The journey that Queen Victoria took in 1842 was on the GWR. Is the saloon constructed by the GWR in 1840 the same one the GWR used in 1842 for Victoria? The one in this print? I do not know but suggest it may be. Anyway, this print offers an interesting feature. It opens! This presents as a wonderful view of Queen Victoria, Prince Albert and her suite. A fantastic print, showing both the inside and outside of the royal saloon carriage on the GWR. Since this is the GWR, it has little to do with Queen Adelaide's royal saloon carriage of the LBR. Different gauge, different railway, different royal personages. Even on 28 November 1843, when the LBR completes their Royal Saloon Carriage for Victoria, it is clearly not the same as the one Victoria used in 1842 on the GWR, unless they had a time machine and magically changed the gauge. The same point will be relevant vis any royal saloon carriage for any other railway. The LNWR royal saloon constructed by Wright is not the same as the ones constructed for the GWR, nor Saloon No. 2 for the LBR by Hooper. I originally thought that the royal carriages then were like the ones today. Used all over the network, one set. Back in the early 1840s, it appears very much to be different carriages, specific to each railway company. Bee

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/99359-left-hand-or-right-hand-coach-what-does-this-mean/ As far as the location of first? The web is filled with this discussion. It comes down to a specific railway, at a specific station, at a particular time. The sense I got was: do what you think fits your specifics. Your mileage may vary, of course. Bee

You are quite welcome Martyn. Happy to help. Bee

Moccasin I cannot understand why you were admonished for posting website feedback, in a section of the forum called "Forum and Website Feedback" I can understand that Hornby does not need to be snowed under a mountain of nitpicking complaints. It is impossible to satisfy all of the public, all of the time. Ignoring valid issues is unwise. There should be a method by which valid issues are raised and corrective action taken. The example in the original post is certainly valid. Exactly what coupling will Locomotion No.1 have? It is the featured locomotive this year, the cover image of the catalog. In comment section after comment section on youTube, the question comes up....What coupling? Carl, Head of Development, said it will work with Accurascale Chaldrons. The web page specifies chains. It is an OBVIOUS CONFLICT. Does no one want to fix this? Answer it? Update the webpage? Inform the public? Folks are saying "chains? I'm out." Literally basing their purchase decision on the website description. Hornby needs to make a decision and fix this. Golly, this isn't that hard. Bee

Hello Ausrym I do understand your dilemma. You want an item, but you are unsure if it will fit. If it does not fit, you must acquit - Johnnie Cochran If you want the Scottish Croft (obviously you do), then make room for it. It is fairly clear that those who correspond here do not have it¹. Consequently, you will boldly go where no correspondent has gone before. Get it and inform us of your progress. It seems from your note, that it may be a snug fit. A little kit bashing may fix that, or perhaps a tiny bump out to the underlayment. I do apologize for not being able to directly answer your specific question. I do not have R7295. Bee ¹If anyone does, for heavens sake, please pipe up. This is a friendly group!

Alberto's solution removes the stress about the layout. Instead of choosing this vs that, the choice is....Yes! Well done Alberto Bee

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Regards the numbering, to wit: Saloon No.2 Could it be possible that the 2 refers to Royal carriages? Not necessarily of a particular railway, but just of that rarified class of carriages. In other words, the enumeration of carriages used to convey Royal personages, independent of railway company. I have this Morning Herald article of 25 Sept 1840. In it, the GWR has provided a "...Royal Saloon carriage, which has recently been built by the company for the exclusive use of members of the royal family." Is this No.1? Bee

Hello Fazy Your tarpaulins are magnificent. They really portray the look. Have you ever put the railways stencil lettering on the tarpaulins? The Liverpool and Manchester Railway had LPMRW in giant lettering on their tarpaulins. When I get to tarpaulin covered freight, I would very much like to replicate that artwork. Any hints or tips would be appreciated. Bee

Hi Simon One thing occurred to me as I read, and re-read your recent post. Saloon Carriage. Saloon is the adjective, not the noun. Analogous to "brown carriage" and "long carriage", saloon is a descriptor, a characteristic of the type of carriage. Then onwards to re-read the consist description. "The special train for the conveyance of her Majesty ..... will consist of the following carriages and trucks". Notice there is no mention of a 'saloon' carriage in that section, although it is clear that Victoria's carriage is specified later as a 'saloon' type, other carriages as 'mail' and 'first class' type. 'Carriage' is the general noun used to describe railway vehicles that carry people. The type of the carriage may or may not be specified. When the writer refers to "Queen Adelaide's carriage" in the article, there is no descriptor, at all. It could be first, mail or saloon. It is not specified. The type is ambiguous. Yet in the critical sentence, not only did the writer feel the need to obviate the descriptor, he obviated the noun, to wit 'carriage'. To me, it is clear that the writer refers to Adelaide's [saloon carriage]. Your mileage may vary, of course. Bee

The "Special Train" Series

I am well aware that the internet has Queen Adelaide's first railway journey in 1840. To calm those who would doubt my assertion of 1839, I present an image containing the entire front page, albeit illegible at this scale. The image also contains the banner, in which the date is crystal clear and the magnified story, which appears on that front page. Irrefutable. Bee

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Hi Simon I have a reasonably important update for us. I can narrow the dates of the construction of Adelaide's Saloon, modeled in R40357. I have been searching online newspapers. The first important reference is in The Sun on 16-Oct-1839, in this article: Note that the Queen Dowager (Adelaide) travels by train, but that she rides in a mail coach, not the saloon. The second important reference is also in The Sun on 28-Nov-1843. Firstly, there is tremendous detail as to the consist. Secondly, pay careful attention to this sentence. "Her Majesty's Saloon carriage shall follow the Queen Dowager's, and be followed by a first class carriage..." From the sentence construction, it is clear that the Queen Dowager's carriage saloon is being referenced, otherwise, we would have another noun after the possesive. Date of construction is therefore between 16-Oct-1839 and 27-Nov-1843. If Adelaide had a saloon in 1839, she would not ride in a mail carriage. I can find many references between those two dates, referencing the Queen Dowager riding on the LBR on a "special train", but what that is, is never specified. Next bit of evidence appears in The Morning Herald, remarkably also on 28 Nov 1843. The title is "Royal Carriage for the London and Birmingham Railway." It speaks to the completion of the carriage, the interior of which is 15ft × 7ft. This must be Victoria's Saloon, as the article refers to the Queen, not the Queen Dowager. Further, it does not fit the description of Adelaide's carriage saloon. Now here is the interesting bit. The Queen's carriage saloon is reported as completed, on the exact same day we have a report of two saloons in use for the royal train. I would suggest to you that the Queen Dowager's Saloon must therefore predate the Queen's Saloon. It cannot be that Adelaide's carriage saloon was finished after Victoria's, otherwise it could not be in consist. Failing that, the only alternative is that they were simultaneously completed. Which, in consideration that Victoria's Carriage Saloon is a vast improvement over Adelaide's, an evolution of design without time presenting a conundrum. Bee

Demo of the functionality. Painted. Don't blink! The bolt heads need to be taller, as the trick of prepainting them black, over painting in green, then wiping to reveal the black was hampered by them being very shallow Bee

Hi RallyMatt While you have told us the revenue for the US and EU divisions, I think that perhaps the more important figure is for the fab. The fabrication facility, fab for short, is the source of models for the US and EU sales divisions. That is also the fab for all the "other players". It would be natural for the US & EU divisions to purchase from the fab division, keeping each division's books somewhat separate. What do the financial reports say about the fab division. Now if demand from the EU & US divisions goes down, then the fab will have excess capacity, which can be allocated to the other players. This has the knock on effect of reducing prices at the fab, as they are more eager to utilize the excess capacity. Additionally, projects for the other players may be finished faster. So while the EU and US revenues may be declining, the important figure is really the fab revenue. Even if the EU & US divisions collapse, the fab can remain vital and strong. In my view, the fab is main role, the other divisions are really just bit players. Bee