Neil, You didn't persuade me either way really, i want the parts in the boxes and not to do the layout on the boxes. I will go and have a look at your website, you could put the url in your signature? Not sure if that is allowed or not. Yep using Anyrail and liking it so far.. Computers, now that i have a far too many, used to work in the IT industry when in all started... Dodge