96RAF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I was at the Norwich shop digitsl day on 6th Dec with the Hornby rep present and his sales briefing on the new range wasn’t until the 16th Dec. The shop owner was waiting for that announcement and also to get their hands on a catalogue to assess their possible orders in whatever quantity. The catalogue unfrotunately lagged well behind the sales meeting. The shop was upset by the fact that Tesco and WH Smith got supplies of the new catalogue this week well before the model shops had their deliveries. A distribution problem apparently. As the shops say I can’t sell you a catalogue if you have already bought one in Tescos, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 It was the model railway press on the 10th not retailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
space_cake Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 With regards to backwards compatibility from the early samples I've seen on youtube that definitely looks a no. The connecting bogies look to be one piece (rather than two halfs of a bogie that join together). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iliketransport Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Yes from what I can see, to improve realism backwards compatibility will be a no, but I'm sure the old ones could be adjusted to be compatible. Might not run great like that though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I haven't checked, but I wonder if the original APT set made by Hornby was dimensionally accurate? After all they took considerable liberties with the HST coaches when introduced originally. My set is in deep storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I had an original APT and was very impressed with the way it tilted. Do you not have the original model anymore, Brian? GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 No Jabob. I got it from a jumble sale for about 50 pence and sold it a year later for £30. I only bought it to see what it was like. The first time I tried it it sped off round the track but I hadn't noticed that the pantograph was extended. As it passed through the station it threw my footbridge about 10 feet across the loft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 That was a find and good cheap price you found it! 5p! The seller may as well had given it away! 😆 😉 😀 £30.00 is a chaep price too. It's worth more than that. GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 This was over 25 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I gathered you were talking about over 20 years ago. Still, selling it for 5p, thay may have given it away. I am sure 25 years ago, the Hornby Railways APT Train Pack was worth more than that. GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 It was only the train. No box or anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahBunyan Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Just to point out, there seems to be a few individuals that are confused. The Class 370 APT-P announced as part of Hornby's ambitious 2020 range is a brand new model. It's a newly tooled item and is not the original one. The tooling for the original APT-P was destroyed. There's absolutely nothing shared between the old and new APT-P in terms of tooling. Regarding the bogies and the tilt mechanism, it's going to have detailed single piece bogies and the tilt mechanism will be based on the original design. HTH Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I think the majority know it is new tooling. I've only seen one post where somebody asked if the new coaches will fit the old one. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 @walkingthedog I see; Still worth the money, even without the box and paperwork. @JeremiahBunyan Shall I assume you have been in contact with Hornby Hobbies, about the tooling for the new APT model and the learn that the tooling for the original model was destroyed? GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahBunyan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 @JeremiahBunyan Shall I assume you have been in contact with Hornby Hobbies, about the tooling for the new APT model and the learn that the tooling for the original model was destroyed? GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) They've publicly stated that more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I see. Thank you for information JB and I was not doubting you, to be perfectly clear and honest. 😉 😀 GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony57 Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Anyone with the old version will be aware that the two driving cab units have a full 2 axel bogie in the front and a single axel bogie at the other end with a tonge type connector, the two coaches have a single axel bogie at one end the a matching tonge connector and a double bogie at the other end with the same coupleing as the motor unit. The planned but never produced extra carrage R705 had single axel bogie with tonge connectors each end. If JB is correct in his info does the mean all the intermediate coaches will only come with one bogie?, logic tells me that a 5 car unit, the driving cab has a front 2 axel bogie plus a shared bogie the car next to the motor unit no bogie and a 2 axel bogie. Two 2 axel bogies for motor unit then the same for the rear portion as the front protion. So the imermediate coaches would only require one shared bogie to fit into the train. Could be interesting times ahead to see how it all connects together. Also what lenght a full train will be? the originak was 4' 6" long for the 5 unit train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 The Hornby Eurostar has a shared bogie between the front two carriages and they connect to a pillar which arises from the middle of the shared bogie using a kind of plastic grab to connect, one above the other which stick out from the ends of the coach. The pillar is hidden beneath a representation of a gangway connection which hides inside the ends of the coach bodies. This may be the way the new APT carriages join perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixie_Dean Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Looking forward to both the APT and the Class 91, but can we PLEASE have a decent pantograph. The one fitted to the Class 87 is very realistic (unlike most of the others you have done) but why-oh-why wasn't it sprung so that it would sit against the overhead lines? Also can we please have working prototype front and rear lights, provision for a full function 21 pin chip and space for a EM2 speaker in the power cars and in the APT provision in the driving cars for a chip and speakers for the compressor and horn sounds. My old Hornby APT has all of these (been heavily re-modelled)! So common on Hornby, rise to the challenge and get yourself on top of the game at last. You even follow Bachmann's lead and provide a servo operated pantograph!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac1707817969 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Pantographs are always a trade off between something robust enough to function and something that looks right. They will never please everyone unless they were to provide two interchangeable ones, one for show and one for use.To be realistic and true to life any model of an APT will need a nose cone you can raise so it can be towed back to the depot after yet another failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Dixie make your request to Hornby by email. They rarely if ever read this section or any other. Making your suggestions to us won't make it happen I'm afraid. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 AndyYou mean like -/media/tinymce_upload/4bc345c9ce7e67d9109af4ba03fb6adb.jpgNote it has buffers and coupling, unlike the production HSTs which needed adaptor couplings to be rescued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac1707817969 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Precisely LC&DR, maybe Hornby could do a set including maybe a BR Blue Class 37 or 56 to rescue it when it breaks down. https://www.flickr.com/photos/37292795@N02/3433368065/in/photostream/ We will just have to wait and see, I am afraid there are going to be far too many compromises to get the whole thing get round a second radius curve. Hornby must have started developing this while DJ Models one was still on the go to be this far on with it or did they take over the DJ models project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony57 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 According to the engine shed blog this project started August 18 with a photo and measureing visit to the heritage centre.They would have had a head start as they would have the blue prints from the original 1980's set.Looks like the extra middle coaches use a split bogie system going on the phot of the drriving cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventrains Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I still have 1980 APT train set, Never been used. /media/tinymce_upload/b4e39a337417793cd0daac95e35a8b62.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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