LCDR Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 the ferret said:Hi, LC&DR,Are you a Southern Railways Group member?Affirmative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forester Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 Any rumours of an original Merchant Navy for 2012?Someone said Barwell have looked at doing one. Hope Hornby don't miss the boat.Even if it's not in the 2012 announcement in January, they start looking at 2013 soon so -COME ON HORNBY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Miss the boat. Merchant Navy. Aw, come on, even WTD could do better than that!!Happy Xmas Forester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forester Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 Yeah! I'll never get a new Merchant Navy with an old one liner.Merry Christmas, PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Good grief, another loony. Welcome to the club forester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazy Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 i am so happy its not just me that bays a kit and then its made as an RTR WD 2-8-0 and a supper D. saying that i have a jhonson 0-6-0t and an 0-4-4t they must be for next year when i have finised building them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Hi ForesterGive up on the Merchant Navy jokes, it's as though WTD wrote them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 You taught me everything I know PP. That's why I'm stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 But not everything I know!!walkingthedog said:You taught me everything I know PP. That's why I'm stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Postman Prat said:But not everything I know!!walkingthedog said:You taught me everything I know PP. That's why I'm stupid!That's a good thing PP, I don't want to know some of the things you know, don't think I could handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 PP & WTD, All this reminds me a little of the exchanges between Sir Humphrey Appleby and Prime Minister James Hacker MP, something about "how can I know what you don't know that I don't know, if I don't know what you don't know". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanTemple Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I do so hate this unsensible terminology of an "Un-Rebuilt" Bulleid Pacific!!!!!! When it is it's original "Air SMoothed" form. All Bulleids should be referred to as just "Bulleid", or as "OVS" himself put it "Air Smoothed".. The 'Rebuilt' locos starting from 1956. Were actually referred to by Eastleigh Works themsleves as "Modified"!Afer all the new "Patriot", should be called an 'Un-Rebuilt'! Or we should refer to 'Royal Scot' and 'Scots Guardsman' as "Rebuilt Scots"!!! Or more to the point 60163 Tornado.. Is a "Modified A1"!!!!!!! "Un-Rebuilt"!!!! No no no .. Very Bad English! Apart from that MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howardeyeno Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Railwaymen never referred to Bulleid's finest as unrebuilt - the affectation originated in the spotting community (which was once as influential as today's forums) Instead they were variously known as light Pacifics (both BoB's and WC's), Spamcans, Air-Smoothed and Merchants, whilst the modified epithet applied to both light and Merchants but once the latter were all rebuilt they were simply known as Merchants.Getting back to whether Hornby will produce a MN, I regard the choice as a secondary priority whilst the Southern can only offer a Q1 and C as goods locomotives. Hornby's release of an S15 or 700 would be far more logical but does that matter amongst those who only know steam from preservation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanTemple Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 LC&DR said:PP & WTD, All this reminds me a little of the exchanges between Sir Humphrey Appleby and Prime Minister James Hacker MP, something about "how can I know what you don't know that I don't know, if I don't know what you don't know". Thats all on a basis, of "Who needs to know"!!!! lolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Howardeyeno said:Railwaymen never referred to Bulleid's finest as unrebuilt - the affectation originated in the spotting community (which was once as influential as today's forums) Instead they were variously known as light Pacifics (both BoB's and WC's), Spamcans, Air-Smoothed and Merchants, whilst the modified epithet applied to both light and Merchants but once the latter were all rebuilt they were simply known as Merchants.Getting back to whether Hornby will produce a MN, I regard the choice as a secondary priority whilst the Southern can only offer a Q1 and C as goods locomotives. Hornby's release of an S15 or 700 would be far more logical but does that matter amongst those who only know steam from preservation? The term 'Flannel Jackets' was popular for a time, a form of Cockney Rhyming slang as practiced at the Lane, the Brick, and Nine Elms. It refers to the first of the class 21C1.One nickname that did cause me to scratch my head was 'Mongolipers' for the 'N' class, 'Woolworths' I could understand, but 'Mongolipers' was obscure. It is something to do with balooning I understand.If you look at the contents of most manufacturer's catalogues you will notice that the content is skewed in favour of the larger and more prestigious passenger classes 7P and up. The Air Smoothed Merchant Navy would actually be a simple and cheap method of Hornby giving Southern fans another addition to their stable. The running gear is already in production (mix and match with the light Pacific), and so it would only really require a new loco and tender superstructure. I have already done just this with a Golden Arrow body kit.The S15 is certainly a good candidate for a future SR model, I would however struggle to choose between a 700 and a 'Q', as the 'Q' was more widely employed across the divisions. A 'W' 2-6-4T would in fact make a really useful goods engine for Southern layouts, and I am surprised it doesn't get a mention. I would also like to see one of the Brighton 0-6-2Ts, an E4 perhaps, these found their way nearly everywhere, and one nearly made it to the Isle of Wight too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Hi LC&DRThe W was made by someone in, I think, Model Railway Constructor, in the sixties, using a Wills N/U/N1/U1 as a starting point. The actual magazine is assisting my loft insulation but I could possibly find it if you wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 PP Thank you for the kind offer but I bought the MRC article at the time and I too have it helping me to save money in my attic. There is quite a good line drawing of the side elevation of the body in 4mm scale as I recall it. In the intervening time I believe Finecast has produced a dedicated W kit. As I still have about six whitemetal kits (including two U1s) still to finish I think it unlikely I will be buying another kit for that purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Another one who cannot reasonably hope to live long enough to clear all the outstanding models (I've got about 50-60 plastic aircraft apart from all my railway models, photographs etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Postman Prat said:Another one who cannot reasonably hope to live long enough to clear all the outstanding models (I've got about 50-60 plastic aircraft apart from all my railway models, photographs etc)Sadly probably true, however I shall have a jolly good go at it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forester Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 Oh well, another year to wait for the Original Merchant Navy.Doesn't Hornby decide on the all-new models for 2013 about this time of year?So, please Mr Kohler....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 In fact any Merchant Navy will do, but please please, you still have fifteen names (I think) from which to choose, so could we have one not used before. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 bulleidboy said:In fact any Merchant Navy will do, but please please, you still have fifteen names (I think) from which to choose, so could we have one not used before. Thank you.If the locomotive is in a different form or has a different livery I would buy it if it matched my basic geographic and period requirement. I do in fact have a few Schools class with the same name but because they are in SR and BR liveries I don't get too hung up about it. As no-one makes a RTR Merchant Navy in original condition any of the 30 names would do for me (OK I'd be a bit disappointed if it were 35030 as I have made a kit of this one, but I can quickly rename and renumber it.) In fact I may already be facing this dilemma, as I have a renamed tender drive Britannia, as 70004, but now Hornby has announced a loco drive one I may get this, especially as it appears dressed for the Golden Arrow, (Can we have some accurate 1951 Golden Arrow Pullman cars to go with it too please?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazy Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 as i understand the casting around the smoke box and the cab windows where all differnt on the frist MN ( frist 10 i think ) and kept being redesigin would this have any thing to do with hornby not making a model? i am not a SR fan but a good model of MN would be nice to see and i think i would have to bay at lest one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 fazy said:as i understand the casting around the smoke box and the cab windows where all differnt on the frist MN ( frist 10 i think ) and kept being redesigin would this have any thing to do with hornby not making a model? i am not a SR fan but a good model of MN would be nice to see and i think i would have to bay at lest oneYou are correct, there were in fact three batches, the first batch very different originally from the remainder. Over the years however they all ended up looking very much the same as they went through Eastleigh for overhaul. If you look carefully the front end the original MN and the LNER P2 have much in common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 So do MNs and tins of meat!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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