SD45elect2000 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Front landing strut too long. Randall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Thomas Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 17 minutes ago, SD45elect2000 said: Front landing strut too long. Randall F4Ks had elongated front undercarriage legs to increase the angle of attack on take off from carriers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Dominic Thomas said: Where’s the fuselage serial? Wow! Good spot. I totally missed that. The majority of the 250 decals are on a separate instruction sheet and the Serial Number is on the colour scheme one 🤦♂️ I still have the ones not used so will get right on to that tomorrow. 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Dominic Thomas said: Also, did this particular aircraft have ILS (?) aerials on the fin? Having completed it, I’m not sure it should have. Indeed when I was fitting the fin decals the little wing got in the way BUT it was specifically called for in the instructions for this [A] decal version 🤷♂️ However, looking at the picture of “006” that I posted earlier, this has the squared top to the tail fin (the Marconi Radar Warning Receiver, I believe) while the alternative fin in the kit does not. So it’s interesting one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSR_NSE Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Pic of 006 shows vertical wing tips, yours are horizontal - is that the error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, Valhalla said: I give up then, you win 🙂 The canopy. I masked it based on the top down picture omitting to notice the obvious side windows in the centre section between the pilots. Schoolboy error! I was going try to scratch the paint off with a wooden toothpick which normally works quite well but as it’s not jumped out to anyone else, probably because the darkness of the surface, I may leave it alone and trust no one else spots it. 🤔 I don’t really want to draw any more attention to it by having a scratched up or messy canopy! Jonathan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Dominic Thomas said: F4Ks had elongated front undercarriage legs to increase the angle of attack on take off from carriers. 1 hour ago, SD45elect2000 said: Front landing strut too long. Randall As Dominic said … it’s in launch mode 🚀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD45elect2000 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Gotcha ! Randall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, LTSR_NSE said: Pic of 006 shows vertical wing tips, yours are horizontal - is that the error? No, the folded wings were for the stowage below deck option. I love this kit, so many build options! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Ah, I see what you mean now. Hardly noticeable though and you'd be right to leave it I think. Just out of curiosity, do you know what the open panels are toward the rear of the engine? Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Thomas Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) On the fin horizontal aerials again, the photo you posted above of 003 doesn’t have them, and the several photos of 007 in later markings that I’ve seen don’t have them. I wonder if anyone has a picture of a Navy Phantom with them? From my subsequent research, the ILS aerials appear to have been added either after 1978 of if the jet had seen service with the RAF. There are two photos of 010 with and without them but on closer inspection they are two different aircraft. It seems while operating on Ark Royal, they probably were not fitted. As for the doors in front of the exhausts, these are auxiliary air inlets. Edited August 28 by Dominic Thomas 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 6 hours ago, Dominic Thomas said: On the fin horizontal aerials again, the photo you posted above of 003 doesn’t have them, and the several photos of 007 in later markings that I’ve seen don’t have them. I wonder if anyone has a picture of a Navy Phantom with them? Here are 3 that I’ve found from a poster that’s available for sale online and there’s another here https://www.airhistory.net/photo/205096/XV586 I wonder what archive information Airfix used for the model. That would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 15 hours ago, Valhalla said: Just out of curiosity, do you know what the open panels are toward the rear of the engine? I read that they are Auxiliary Intake / Air Ejector Doors. I believe they are used to vent excess air pressure from the engines and provide cooling air. They apparently open when wheels are lowered. Others may have more technical information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 I finally fitted those serial numbers. I can see how I lost sight of them as they are with the decals for another of the aircraft. Then disaster struck! As I turned the model around I must have caught the starboard decal with my finger and totally lost it! So into the decals box I had to go to make up a new set from the smallest letters and numbers I possess. As they are not side by side with the originals you’d hardly notice but what a pain! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 I couldn’t resist closing my build report with a few more shots of my Phantom sat ready to launch No. 892 NAS R-007 / XT864 HMS Ark Royal (R09) November 1974 Thanks for all the feedback and discussions on this fabulous Airfix kit and my efforts to build it. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Thomas Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Looks really good. One of my favourites. Well done and thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Thomas Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tour de Airfix said: Here are 3 that I’ve found from a poster that’s available for sale online and there’s another here https://www.airhistory.net/photo/205096/XV586 I wonder what archive information Airfix used for the model. That would be interesting. Couldn’t resist. The pictures of these F4s with the ILS fitted all have the red/white/blue/royal crest on the nose, which probably dates the pairing to mid to late 70s (1976 onwards). I have yet to see pictures of the aircraft with the ILS on the fin and without these nose markings. Just saying ….. Edited August 28 by Dominic Thomas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 43 minutes ago, Dominic Thomas said: Couldn’t resist. The pictures of these F4s with the ILS fitted all have the red/white/blue/royal crest on the nose, which probably dates the pairing to mid to late 70s (1976 onwards). I have yet to see pictures of the aircraft with the ILS on the fin and without these nose markings. Just saying ….. I totally agree .. I can also find none looking like my Airfix one 😞 Strangely enough, another scale modeller shared with me his build of this aircraft in 1/48 scale with the red/white/blue/ royal crest on the nose from Hasegawa and this one didn't have the ILS fitted! 2 hours ago, Tour de Airfix said: I wonder what archive information Airfix used for the model. That would be interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias Muth Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 That is really an outstanding work, congratulations. After the mission, the Phantom comes to the maintenace unit Matthias aka modelldoc 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour de Airfix Posted August 29 Author Share Posted August 29 That’s fabulous Matthias! I was so tempted to do something similar, but then remembered that I had that carrier base. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretty Mediocre Modeller Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 19 hours ago, Tour de Airfix said: Here are 3 that I’ve found from a poster that’s available for sale online and there’s another here https://www.airhistory.net/photo/205096/XV586 I wonder what archive information Airfix used for the model. That would be interesting. I think that the picture taken from a poster has been photoshopped or is CGI, as the phantoms are carrying AIM-9L sidewinders, which didn't enter British service until 1982 (Supplied by the States for the Falklands conflict on Sea Harriers). The picture in the link is more modern, and I believe was a special scheme applied to an RAF FG.1 on the types retirement. Note that it is also carrying 'Lima' sidewinder drill rounds. It's also the same aircraft in the poster, repeated 3 times (look at the details, they are all exactly the same, apart from the code), note how the codes are all '0' and '1', no other numbers! As for the ILS (Instrument landing System) Aerials, they where usually not fitted to Navy aircraft, as ILS could not be used on an aircraft carrier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Thomas Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Well spotted PMM. My reference book tells me that 13 aircraft had the red/white/blue/(badge) on the nose, applied in June 1977. The badge was mainly the number 77 with the Queen’s crown above. The exception was coded 002 and it had the Prince of Wales crown relating to a visit by Prince Charles earlier in the Jubilee. Following the Silver Jubilee Review, the ‘crowned 77’ was changed to the squadron badge on all aircraft, which was carried until 27 November 1978 when the last 10 aircraft left Ark Royal for RAF St. Athan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A J Rimmer Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Excellent work! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps123 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Having just recently started the Airfix RAF version of the Phantom, I take my hat off to you creating such an excellent model. As you mentioned, the fits are very exacting and for me can be quite frustrating at times! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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