RDS Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Could someone advise please if the R8211 is suitable for use with DCC. I cannot see why it may not be but one advert I saw stated it was not. Also, has anyone used one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koo9 Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 [reply]RDS said: I have one in use with dcc. Be aware that the older models don't. Some of the "clamps" are not insulated and will short on the frame. Look in the slot and see if there is a thick silver wire carrying the voltage. likewise, spare clamps in packs of 2, must have a hole in the clamp for them to slide along the silver wire. Have a good look before you buy and it will become clear. Unfortunately, they all have the same part number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 @koo9 Thank you for your help. That's difficult though because I was intending to buy (new) by Mail Order from that well known organisation with 6 letters, beginning with A. I must admit though, thinking about it, I do not understand why DC or DCC makes any difference to the design and insulation. The only thing I thought about when I started to read your post, was that a DC version may have a capacitor across the terminals similar to the power rail connectors and that it would need to be removed for DCC. This change I would happily make. Do you know if the box states that the item is compatible with DCC, so that I could at least ask before purchasing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koo9 Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I understand as I went down the same route. I would hazzard a guess that they "A" would be selling the latest but they will always take them back if wrong. If you want extra clamps which the wheels run on, there are quite a few older ones out there. Then you must ask if the hole is there in the clamps or they will not fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koo9 Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Sorry missed the last part, my box didn't but it may have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 @koo9 Thanks again, I have just checked the A advert again and it states that it is NOT suitable for DCC. Pity that because I have a voucher to spend but I still cannot understand why insulation makes any difference between DCC and DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 Hi all Does anyone use the Rolling Road that could advise me whether it is compatible with DCC. (I have since received a response from Hornby who say, they 'cannot see why it would not be compatible' but have not provided me with a definite answer) - the only thing I can think is that it may contain the capacitor that is required on DC but DCC. If that is the case, I can easily remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 If its suitable for DC I would have thought it would be ok for DCC. DCC DC and live steam are identical in as much as they pick up current from the track. If the road works with one it has to work with the others. If there is a problem due to a capacitor, remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 @walkingthedog Thanks and I agree but that well known mail order co beginning with A says it is not compatible and someone responded above agreeing - I just could not understand why for the reasons you have stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Essentially the rolling road is two wires from the controller to the tender support rails and live rollers, so it is suitable for any type of electrical signal along that path. Having seen the post about the thick wires and the holes in the roller brackets I can confirm my basic R4811 rolling road and the additional rollers I bought all have the holes described. For anyone who wonders why you need extra rollers over and above the 3 pairs provided, it is to support dual bogie trains such as diesels or railbus type locos off the fixed rail section. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 Hi all I have now received a definitive answer from Hornby, which states: "The R8211 Rolling Road will be compatible with DCC, the Amazon listing is incorrect. This issue has been caused as there was an older version of the Rolling Road (R8203) which was not suitable." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 So why isn't the Rolling Road (R8203) suitable for DCC? Does it have a capacitor fitted? I'll ask on their FB page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 The answer from Hornby was "The R8203 is a Rolling Road for Live Steam locomotives. The Rolling Road most suitable for DCC is the R8211." which doesn't really explain anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 @poliss That is quite a strange answer really because my R8211 has arrived this morning and it says on the box and I quote 'For use with Hornby and other suitable 12v DC electric locomotives plus Hornby Live Steam Locomotives'. I am more convinced by the suggestion that the older version has a capacitor but we need someone with an R8203 to advise on that. I can confirm though that the R8211 works well with DCC. I think I am going to have to modify it a little to reduce the length of the track section because it is too short in it's present form for Class 37, 47 etc, although the pictures on the box do show it with Steam Locomotives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Forgive me for being dim, no comments please, but why do you want to reduce the length of the track section because its too short, don't you mean increase its length. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 @walkingthedog You are not being dim, I have worded it badly. I meant to say that the overall length is too short and so by shortening the track section, I will in effect make the roller portion longer. Fortunately, the slots for the rollers go the full length so I can add some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 After I'd pressed post I thought that was what you were saying. I have a rolling road system that just consists of the rollers. You just stand as many as you need on any powered section of track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 walkingthedog I had seen pictures of that type and it looked good but I could not find out any more details. Anyway, I have committed to the Hornby one now and got myself an extra set of rollers. It's great being able to run a loco and see what is happening without having to chase round the room after it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I remember when I got my WD 2-10-0. I ran it in on a the rollers on a section of track next to me on a book case whilst watching TV. It looked great although I'm not sure the wife would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 To run a Co-Co diesel on the Hornby RR I had to add a couple more live rollers to support the bogies (2 sets of rollers each) and move the steam front bogie support block out of the way. This allowed the diesel to avoid sitting on the static track length normally used to support a steam loco tender. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 It's strange they bothered with the static track length. Surely the tender could have stood on some rollers then any loco could use the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted May 26, 2013 Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 @walkingthedog I agree but I guess it was a cost decision. The rollers will be more expensive to produce. They are certainly more expensive to buy! I have now modified my R8211 to halve the length of the track section down to about 3" and using the extra set of rollers I bought, it works well with my Class 37 and 47 Loco's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 That's good. The rollers on my road were pretty pricey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN104 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 This may surprise you but toymaster in Halifax sells Hornby.Rolling road for just sixty and take ten per cent off with hornby discount card.I have checked all new prices;they sell a big percentage of various hornby stock cheaper than anywhere.Egypt 1908 Olympics just eighty five sterling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN104 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 This may surprise you but toymaster in Halifax sells Hornby.Rolling road for just sixty and take ten per cent off with hornby discount card.I have checked all new prices;they sell a big percentage of various hornby stock cheaper than anywhere.Egypt 1908 Olympics just eighty five sterling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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