Trainboy and company Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 @Walkingthedog, All of the locomotives from the Thomas the tank engine range, apart from Bertie and the battery Thomas, are far from toy-like, hence why there is a warning on the back of the packaging saying that they are not toys, they have functional sharp points and that they are for adult collectors. They are basically repaints of the ordinary locomotives with faces added to them. They can still get damaged if you handle them too roughly, and they can go just as fast as the ordinary locomotives as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I totally agree. I suggest you have a close look at the models of Spencer and Murdoch. There's loads of detail on these two. Lots of detail on others, but both versions of Spencer and Murdoch both top the league for delicate Hornby Thomas & Friends Locomotives. GNR-Gordon-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainboy and company Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 GNR-Gordon-4, I have never had a Hornby Bertie, so I don't know how big it is. When I saw it on the picture that new lad on the block posted the other day of all the locomotives in the Thomas the tank engine range, I suspected that the Hornby Bertie would be about the same size as the Tomica World Bertie. However, from what you have said, it must be a bit bigger than that, and thus will be unsuitable for my layout as it is out of scale as you say. I don't think I will be getting Bertie any time soon, though, or creating a road system for my layout. I have so little space on my layout that I cannot even consider creating a decent road system. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The Thomas 0-4-0's and 0-6-0's are toylike, but not the bigger locomotives, WTD. GNR-Gordon-4Yes they are they have faces on them and a lot less detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainboy and company Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 GNR-Gordon-4, I will try to get Murdoch and Spencer soon, providing they can still be bought. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainboy and company Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 @Walkingthedog, Minus the faces and the bright colours, they are normal 00 gauge scale models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 @Peter Machin I have never owned a Hornby Bertie the Bus only. Wierdly, as a collector of the range I don't want one and never have. I have seen it in real life, however and I can confirm that it is not to scale. Have you ever bought an Oxford Diecast 1:76 scale road vehicle? Technically, Hornby's Bertie the Bus should be as small as these are. Yes, I know with the owener's regulations that won't allow a Thomas piece of merchandise to be as small as this, but that is the size Bertie the Bus should be, to be accurately scaled. @walkingthedog WTD, R9257 / R9749 Spencer's, R9292 Henry and R9684 Murdoch all have toolings from the Hornby RailRoad range. Just to confirm that R9257 / R9749 Spencer's have the RailRoad A4 Pacific tooling; R9292 Henry has the RailRoad Black 5 tooling and R9684 Murdoch as the RailRoad Class 9F tooling; All are missing the smokebox doors for faces and painted in those characters liveries. GNR-Gordon-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I will try to get Murdoch and Spencer soon, providing they can still be bought. 😆 You will be lucky to get those two now. They are the hardest of Hornby's Thomas locomotives to get hold of. If you do find them, you willl need a few hundred pounds to get them. For either of the two Spencer's, you will need between £400.00 and £600.00 or more. For Murdoch, you will need between £500.00 and £600.00, or more. These are based off auctions I have seen on eBay for these two, within the past year. GNR-Gordon-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainboy and company Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 @GNR-Gordon-4, I have bought some Oxford Die-cast 1:76 road vehicles for layout. I agree about the fact that Bertie should be the same scale as one of those, but I think the only reason he is bigger is because Hornby needed space to put in the motor and drive unit. As for Murdoch and Spencer, I am afraid I can't buy them just yet, being as they are that expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Plus the owners of Thomas & Friends laws that the products have to be of a certain size, as they would be a choking hazard to baby children, a we would never get a figure or a road vehicle in the proper scale of 1:76. By the way, with Hornby Spencer and Hornby Murdoch, they do not come on eBay very often either. Spencer probably a bit more than Murdoch, as Hornby released more Soencer’s than they did of Murdoch’s. GNR-Gordon-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Jacob what you say about things having to be a certain size for children is not true at all. Many toys for children a tiny. /media/tinymce_upload/3ce172e1b8524887bee7e8615d1614d6.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new lad on block Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Hi, Photo to show scale of Bertie compared to a 1 / 76 diecast double decker bus and a Landrover.There are some very small thomas items out there,/media/tinymce_upload/286e090c192c65a6689ecde1208b6fa3.JPG the small Thomas is Mattel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Yes, OK then. Many toys for baby children are small. new as on block, do you collect Thomas diecast trains too? GNR-Gordon-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainboy and company Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 @Walkingthedog,Any children can play with small toys, but it is definitely not recommended that babies and toddlers play with small toys like marbles, micromachines, Lego and so on because they could pose a choking hazard if they put the toy in their mouth and end up swallowing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howbi Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 That's very true, Peter, and most of us oldies are very aware as we have grandchildren........ 😀..........HB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Thanks for that Peter, 3 children and 2 grandchildren give me pretty good qualifications for child care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainboy and company Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 I also own a couple of Hornby 00 gauge SR class 0-6-OTs, and they have a look of Rosie from Thomas the tank engine. I have two of them. The red one that I mentioned is electric, and I have a clockwork one in a royal blue colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainboy and company Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 @New lad on the block, The Hornby Bertie may well be smaller than some die-cast vehicles, but the Hornby Bertie is still unfortunately out of scale. It is also a bit too "toy-like" in appearance to go well with my layout, and it lacks detail. Unlike the coaches and the locomotive cabs, there is no interior detail of the Hornby Bertie whatsoever. It does have paper decals on each side with images of the passengers sat down, to make it seem like it has people inside it. However, the decals could easily begin to peel off, and the model would look quite bare without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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