Firehawk Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Hi All, My son has a flying scotsman and the front bogie has fallen off. Hornby sent me a replacement part but I can't make heads or tails of how to fix and get the new bogie attached to the train. I got a screw that I'm not even sure where it goes. Does anyone have an instructions or seen any good YouTube videos on how to fix the front bogie? Thanks FH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntpntpntp Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) I'm not sure how much the design has changed over the decades. Do you know how old your model is, or at the very least is is an old model with the motor in the loco and shiny wheels, a model with the motor in the tender, or a more recent model with blackened wheels? Maybe post a clear photo or two of the underside of what you have and the parts you've been sent? It is usually a case of a screw to attach the "arm" of the bogie to the chassis block so that it is still free to move from side to side. Edited February 23 by ntpntpntp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Did Hornby send you the bogie with the bracket attached? If it came with the bracket there is a hole in the centre of the chassis in front of the front driving wheels. If it didn't come with a bracket, I need to know what Flying Scotsman it is, the bogie mount is different between the Railroad version and the non Railroad ones. There is a thread on this forum about the same subject. A photo would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesXRN Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Is this any help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 It was the person who posted the original concern bogie I wanted to see, to work out what bits they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About The Bee Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Hi Colin I remain unconvinced that LesXRN's photographs were intended for your benefit. Rather, I suspect he was trying to show @Firehawkone possible attachment method.... Bee Edited February 24 by What About The Bee Because I can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 There are two sorts of bogie for the later models, those that were made after the tender drive models. They both attach in the same place. The big difference is in how the bogie is attached to it and generally this is what causes most confusion. I even think the tender driven models attach in the same place. Now we know Hornby supplied the part so it has to be a late model. The photo is of the super detailed version, on the Railroad version the bolt is the other way round. So as I said we need a photo of what bits the person who posted the subject has. Incidentally the one in the photo is bent, it should be flat against the chassis. Funny I have just been fixing an A3 I got off Rails that was broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I was thinking the retaining screw had either come loose, or had become loosened - perhaps to indicate the mounting. That slotted T-bracket should be tight in-between the cylinders, the bogie sliding and pivoting to permit it to negotiate the curves. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesXRN Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 The photo's were indeed to help the OP. Interesting about the bracket, I'll get it sorted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firehawk Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 Sorry for the delay in responding. It's been a busy week. The Train is the Flying Scotsman R1255. The bracket was attached and fell off. Hornby sent me a new one but I'm struggling to get that one put together right. I don't have a lot of model train fixing experience, though this is more my son. The photos were a huge help. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 The Service Sheet exploded diagram for this type of loco may help you. Go to the 'Support' drop-down menu, selecting Product Support then Service Sheets and Hornby, then in the search box enter R1167. This should bring up a link to Service Sheet 380B which is the closest sheet yet published to your loco in set R1255. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I hate to have to say this but it isn't actually rocket science to put it back together. The photo that LesXRN put up and everyone endorsed, probably added to the confusion. I imagine the bogie we are talking about is the Railroad version, so what you do is unscrew the bogie bracket screw and pull off the bracket. On the Railroad version the bolt goes in the bracket so that the head is above the slot with the bend of the bracket uppermost. Now some bogies have a nylon washer and spring, some don't. If it has a nylon washer place this on the bolt that is protruding from the the bracket, now add the spring. Put the m2 nut in the bogie and hold it in with you finger or black tack or something to stop it falling out . Now holding the bracket with the bolt on screw it into the bogie. This is a bit tricky as the spring often falls off. As I said in my first post a photo of the bits you have would be very useful. Now you have it attached to the bogie bracket screw the bracket back onto the chassis. There is a picture of the bogie on Peters Spares website of the Tornedo bogie (virtually the same as the Flying Scotsman) fully assembled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSR_NSE Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 7 minutes ago, ColinB said: I hate to have to say this but it isn't actually rocket science to put it back together. You don’t have to put a condescending comment in front of an otherwise extremely helpful post - you simply chose to! 🤦♂️🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 20 minutes ago, LTSR_NSE said: You don’t have to put a condescending comment in front of an otherwise extremely helpful post - you simply chose to! 🤦♂️🤷♂️ Perhaps but it isn't that difficult and compared to some of the posts I receive from you lot, quite tame. I asked for a photo of the parts issued to them via Hornby so I could work out which bogie they had. No response only a photo of a different model with a different bogie. There is also another post on this forum that explains all this and the guy was extremely happy for the explanation, so I will leave it at that. I think it was only a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Spare Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Perhaps, like me, the OP has no knowledge of how and/or the means to post a photograph? We are not all tech-savvy in all areas. And for that reason, I thought the Service Sheet might be useful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Respondents to this thread are reminded of the guidelines. Please keep language polite and your posts constructive. It would also help if there was some recognition of the fact that skill levels vary. R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, Going Spare said: Perhaps, like me, the OP has no knowledge of how and/or the means to post a photograph? We are not all tech-savvy in all areas. And for that reason, I thought the Service Sheet might be useful. Well they could have said. The issue is we don't know what parts Hornby sent them. On frequent occasions I have received the wrong part by Hornby. If by chance they got issued a super detailed bogie instead of the Railroad one the bolt would be wrong. If I remember rightly the bolts are not interchangeable. Some bogies come with the bracket and bolt some don't, so if you tried fitting a superdetailed bogie to a Railroad setup that would explain the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About The Bee Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 12 minutes ago, ColinB said: I asked for a photo of the parts issued to them via Hornby so I could work out which bogie they had. No response only a photo of a different model with a different bogie. Colin I've quite a bit of respect for you. You possess terrific knowledge. But you simply cannot be that unaware of your surroundings. As indicated last time, the photographs were not intended for you. To misrepresent, for a second time, what LesXRN posted is [redacted]. LesXRN posted his photographs for Firehawk. NOT FOR YOU. LesXRN was trying to help Firehawk, not answer your query. You could acknowledge that Colin, so that we do not go round and round. To claim that the photographs were wrong is okay. They applied to a model that Firehawk doesn't seem to have. Firehawk didn't identify the model. LesXRN could not have known the R number, since Firehawk did not publish it. Bee To be definite, I put in [redacted] instead of the choice words intended, not the moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just now, What About The Bee said: Colin I've quite a bit of respect for you. You possess terrific knowledge. But you simply cannot be that unaware of your surroundings. As indicated last time, the photographs were not intended for you. To misrepresent, for a second time, what LesXRN posted is [redacted]. LesXRN posted his photographs for Firehawk. NOT FOR YOU. LesXRN was trying to help Firehawk, not answer your query. You could acknowledge that Colin, so that we do not go round and round. To claim that the photographs were wrong is okay. They applied to a model that Firehawk doesn't seem to have. Firehawk didn't identify the model. LesXRN could not have known the R number, since Firehawk did not publish it. Bee To be definite, I put in [redacted] instead of the choice words intended, not the moderators. Unfortunately the photo just adds confusion, I suspect Firehawk has a Railroad model and so all they want to see is a photo of it attached to a model similar to the one they own. There is a fundamental difference in how the superdetailed bogie attaches to the bracket as opposed to the Railroad one. Also if lets say the user has lost the bogie bolt and the new bogie issued to them doesn't have a bolt included, again that could be the issue. I have built about 10, A3 from wrecks and sometimes when I order a bogie it comes with the bracket sometimes it doesn't. Hornby's part number only applies to the bogie, the bracket is one of those items that has no part number. I can order two of the same part from Lendons sometimes it comes with a bracket sometimes it doesn't. Often I buy a Tornedo bogie just for the bracket. So that is why it is so important that we know what parts they have. I can probably upload photos of both types of bogie, I have lots of spares if this is of any help. As I said there is thread that covers this anyway, for some reason Flying Scotsman front bogies if bought in a set from Amazon seem to fall off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About The Bee Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Actually Colin, that is a great idea. Post photographs of both (? I think that is what you are saying) with an explanation for each type. Firehawk will not be the last one with this question. Bee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firehawk Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 Here are some photos. Not sure if I did this right but I can send more photos if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Thank you, I can see your problem. Hornby have supplied you with the bogie plus bracket, so you need to remove the old bracket. On the photo second from the bottom the second screw from the right, the one right in front of those front wheels needs to undone. The old bracket will now come off. You probably need to move it backwards slightly because there is a plastic tab from the plastic cylinders (those black things in front of the bogie bracket). There should be enough room to move it back to release it. Be careful you don't want to snap the plastic off. Once released from the plastic tab, it should drop out. You don't need this anymore, but don't bin it they are gold dust, but save the screw you need it for the new bogie. Now with the new bogie as shown in the bottom photo attach the bracket so that the rectangular cut out feeds into that same plastic tab, now comes the tricky bit screw the bogie into the chassis using the screw and hole where the old one attached. I say tricky because the screw is small and sometimes falls into loco or anywhere where you don't want it to. You can make it easier by either using a magnetised screwdriver or something like a sliver of black tack on the head so you can attach it to a screwdriver head. Hope that helps, I have just done it on mine and there is enough room to move the bogie back to release it from the tab. Just for your information it is a Railroad bogie because the head of the bogie bolt is at the top, rather than at the bottom which is the case for the super detailed one. Edited February 28 by ColinB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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