tony_forward Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 i have probably missed it in the 1.55 guide, but an embarassing thing happed today... A friend came who has been listening to me wittering on about the rm and elink.. He bought with him an analogue loco. With the select I could push 0 and away the loco would go.With the elink?? No idea!Help please?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idlemarvel Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 You cannot drive analog trains with RM and elink. With Elite you can (using address 0) but it is not recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_forward Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 that's why I couldn't find it in the manual then! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 They should have a list of things not in the manual shouldn't they? Would save a lot of useless looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 As RM is for running DCC model railways why would it have a section on running DC. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idlemarvel Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 @WTG - Many people had DC rolling stock before they switched to DCC or (like this poster) have friends with DC locos. Many decoder manufacturers (like ESU) go to great lengths to accomodate mixed DCC and DC layouts. So it is not unreasonable that a DCC only product like RM should at least note that this product does not support DC. Not sure if Fishy had tongue-in-cheek, as we would soon be in the realm of Donald Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns"! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Yes I know all that Idle, but if it doesn't mention DC in the contents/index then it doesnt do it, that's if it has a content/index. I don't suppose there's anything about running Live Steam either. A lot of Fishy's remarks are tongue in cheek, much like mine, or should I say much like most of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 WTD, Surely not, john. On a more serious note If it had not been for this forum, i would not have known that you could not run DC locos. its also a bit confusing, as all HO Bman are equally at home on either , but it is not recommended for hornby DCC. presume its to do with chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 It's not recommended for any British outline models not just Hornby John. The continuous power to the track is bad news for motors. Can't comment about HO locos but I can't really see what the difference is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 WTD, thats interesting, as reading from box of DCC Bman,Compatible with convential DC- powered layouts. Plug and Play with all DC and DCC systems.. Have not mixed mine, as have about 40 locos, all DC, without having to resort to them. john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 DCC runs beautifully on DC, I have several DCC locos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 WTD, do you mean hornby ones, and if so, presumably, you removed the chip. i have a much longer running track on DC, but have never tried my Hornby DCC ones, in case it damaged them. john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 While some DCC systems allow you to run a DC loco on a DCC system, it is never a good idea to do so because it can burn out the motor in seconds, especially if the loco is stationary.Track voltage on DCC is on Full all the time. While your loco might not be moving, it's still getting thyat full voltage.See Mark Gurries page on this subject. https://sites.google.com/site/markgurries/home/technical-discussions/dc-loco-on-dcc/dc-locomotive-damage-risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyRailMasterSupport Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 To clarify the question of interoperability between DC and DCC systems:-Most new DCC locos or loco decoders will work on analogue (DC) layouts. This is quite simple to achieve as the logic within the loco decoder can detect a non DCC (i.e. DC) signal coming from the track and simply diverts power directly to the motor. This is why DCC locos will run nice and smoothly on DC layouts and have no adverse affects on other locos, or the layout generally.Running analogue (DC) locos on a DCC layout however, is a completely different ball-game. Since the track is energised for DCC control, pulses are sent within the track voltage, which are picked up by DCC locos. Where an analogue loco is introduced it, in effect, causes a very mild short circuit, which is why you hear the motor in the loco buzzing and this can affect the DCC signal running throughout all track on the layout. Analogue locos on DCC track are not a good idea as they can interfere with the DCC signal. The more DCC-enabled locos and devices present on a layout the more likelihood of problems arising by introducing an analogue loco.This is why the eLink does not support analogue locos at all. It is a completely digital system and therefore is capable of running many more locos and devices than a normal DCC controller. Things need to be kept reliable and the use of analogue locos on a DCC computer-controlled layout can reduce reliability and are not recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_forward Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 wow! For a simple question from a simple guy there seem to be loads of answers!Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 No John, I have several Hornby and Blue box DCC on board locos and as long as DC running hasn't been disabled (it's always enabled on new DCC locos) they ran like a dream on my DC layout. I have since replaced the decoders with blanking plates and given the decoders to the needy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbo2 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 A simple answer said with a big grin;NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 WTD, can i apply to be a future needy, john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbo2 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Join the queue ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Caesar Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I've already joined - so am expecting a large parcel soon... :-) .... sent by DCC courier as DC are no good on our roads! :-)Very good answer Admin... muchus welcomus... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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