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Do you know what the R numbers are as my Coronation Scott Coaches (original type) do not have any lights.

Hi Rana, A converter wagon or two would probably be an easy option if you can can get hold of a continental type coupling designed to screw onto the models with PECO couplings. I did it with a rake of Jouef CIWL London Paris sleeping cars so I could pull them with a LIMA BR Class 33 (HO version).

The Rapido Titfield Thunderbolt Train Pack

I understand there is a practical problem in getting a PECO push-in type coupling head in that there would not be enough swing to get the coupling to move side to side. However, it may be easier to convert the Jouef vehicles to something more compatible with your loco. Just out of interest does your ROCO Locomotives NEM pockets use a dovetail to hold them onto the loco?

Would there be any rules? Unlike the world land speed record and that for boats where there was a vey fixed distance and a set time to turn around, Mallards run was a rush down hill with a relatively light load in one direction only. I would also suggest that the LMS's previous success at getting the record was also not under exactly the same conditions type of controlled conditions.

@HST, Please do not forget that mines were not the only owners of coal wagons, but many local coal merchants had their own (sometimes only one or two) painted in their own livery. At some point on their journey to/from the colliery, these would then be marshaled into longer trains with other wagons owned by different companies/coal merchants hence the mix of different owners you mention. Indeed one of the charms of pre-nationalisation and pre-grouping coal trains is the mix of wagons. Not only are they in a variety of different liveries, but the earlier you go back, you will find the sizes of the wagons also varied. For example the link below shows a mixed freight which, judging by the loco is going to be somewhere between 1919 and 1920s: https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/50068611688 As an interesting aside, some of these companies also painted a number on their wagon(s) that was larger than the number of wagons they owned just to make them look like a larger company! Also anyone could charter a wagon from a railway company to carry goods for them. I recall my Grandmother telling me that her Father used to hire an open wagon every Autumn (possibly during the early part of 20th Century) to carry coal from the colliery to our hometown where he would distributed it among relatives who had clubbed together to pay for the coal. Apparently it saw them right through the Winter and saved money!

It wouldn't be the first time that Hornby that Hornby have had fixed headcodes on their Steam Locos. Remember the Dutchess of Hamilton introduced in the mid 1979's with a Class C headcode? - Fine if you wanted a loco for pulling a fast vacuum fitted freight carrying Parcels, Fish, Milk, Fruit Live stock or Perishables! Worse still Lima's small prairie with molded lamps displaying a Class A passenger head code on its bunker - just right for pulling the Cornish Riviera express bunker fist! Although I suppose it could have been used on a snow plough or breakdown crane going to a job or piloting the express into a platform

Regarding 3D printing I did download a 3D file containing a man in early 20th century cloths with out stretched arms apparently making a speech holding a hammer in one hand and a sickle in the other which I scaled to OO and got printed in bronze (see digital preview below). However, given my layout is 20th Century Wales and not revolutionary Russia I don't quite have a use for him at the moment!

Although my figures have yet to be deployed or even painted in some cases, I stocked up around 10 years ago with those made by "Monty's Models" (Dart castings) and PD Marsh (some ready painted some not).- I think both companies still have websites. These are made in white metal and are a little larger than the HO models but more importantly their clothes suited the period of my model railway a lot better than the plastic versions. Also being white metal the seated figures help to add much needed weight to the PECO 009 GVT coaches In addition Dapol made (and may still do) a set of railway workers (ex Airfix) which are more to 00 gauge.

The high street that was used was in Woodstock, Oxfordshire which hasn't changed very much. except for a few white lines to mark out parking places. Apparently the sequence was actually shot during the day and made to look like nighttime

Regarding other companies wagon, I remember reading somewhere that the LNER probably had the most coal wagons so eveery layout should have at least one since the odds were very high of finding one anywhere on Britain's railways back in the 1930s.

Their 4 wheeled Wagons, Warwells and Motorail car transporter are very nice and are of the same standard as the new finer scale models that Hornby produce. Oxford's Dean Goods is a lot better than the ex-Airfix version made by Hornby but that is to be expected considering how old the Airfix tooling is. Their Adams Radial is also very nice but cannot compare it to Hornby's as I only have the Oxford version. Their short GWR brake van (both six and four wheeled brake vans are beautiful models. My only criticism is that the nem pockets on one of their wagons (I cannot remember witch are a little short so the coupling will slide about 1mm back and forth if you change them to another make's (in my case the intermediate Hornby couplings) but a pin-head of PVA glue will fix that. As an aside the few Oxford Die-cast cars were identical to Hornby's Scale Auto versions - just in different colours

I have just ordered Hornby's 0-6-0 Sentinel "Stanton 57" Although listed as NCB green I have seen pictures of it shunting the wagons carrying the molten steel at Stanton and Staveley's works. Sadly I cannot seem to find scale drawings of these wagons as I would like to make them. However, my next project (If I can get drawings or successfully scale from photos is likely to be an LNWR Prince of Wales 4-6-0 for an old type Hornby B12 Chassis buit with the small open framed motor in an adapter.

Thanks RAF, I did see this drawing which got my hopes up until I counted the wheels - it is the 0-8-0 I mentioned earlier. Threelink, I am 99% sure you are right about the RM having a drawing and I possibly even owned it once. However, when I moved out My Dad chose to store most of my old RMs in old bread bags in the garage. Sadly the smell of bread attracted mice who proceed to eat most of them!

I am sorry to disagree but wagons of the GWR, LMS, LNER and SR did stray far and wide from their systems since they would have been filled up with goods which were then transported to destinations on the other railways. There was also an agreement that some wagons could be used by the other company's to carry goods on their system so that they could work their way home with some kind of load. However some wagons which carried special cargo or which the Railway company did not want to carry any old cargo were classed as" non common user". These could still be seen on other railways but would be returned empty. Having said that some companies wagons might be rare to find in some areas due to the distance they would have to travel, e.g. an SR wagon in the far north of Scotland, but it did happen.

Titfield Station today: slightly_frowning_face https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3558639,-2.3261805,3a,90y,53.54h,74.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAQtG4aD226Xdzt0q0ny_Yw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DAQtG4aD226Xdzt0q0ny_Yw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D293.59348%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Quite Shocking! A diagonal yellow stripe on the wagon then.

Many thanks, however Googling was the first thing I did. Aside from many good side views like the one in RAF's post but I could not find a line drawing with at least one dimension I could scale from. Strangely it did return a really good drawings of a Cloughton and an 0-8-0 but not the Prince of Wales. What I am probably after is a book and while I have found one it doesn't say if their are drawings :( I have already made a start at sketching up something from the photos, but need to check a few key dimensions concerning wheel spacing so I can compare it with the Hornby Chassis I hope to use (an old B12 chassis notwithstanding the slightly undersized wheels)

Does anyone know where I can find a drawing for an LNWR Prince of Wales class loco as I am considering building one. Alternatively the name of a book/magazine containing one

Also just noticed the one in the photo has an oval makers plate so not one of the North British locos. Sadly this mean I'll need to get a new makers plate as well as a numbers plate but that could narrow the search!

Thanks Bee, Your right about my requirements. This loco might indeed also have a black patch painted over the number as I believe the difference in colour mau have only been visible in certain light conditions. Funily enough in my researching I have discovered that the real ROD 1918 (which my model is currently wearing) went to the LMS and while I now have a book that lists all the GWR numbers and whether they were bought, leased so at worst I probably have around a 1:50 chance of getting the right one - a bit better than my previous 1:100!

The intermediate/medium width couplings were a standard used by DAPOL (probably introduced by Mainline when they took over the Airfix range) before they switched to NEM pockets. These are still available on their website and other places in packs of 20. Their reference is COUP4. They are marginally different to the Hornby ones but this does not make any operational difference and is hardly noticeable.

Making them tip was the original intention but the weight of the chain means they wont sit level. Although I managed to counterbalance the pulley by making the opposite side wall thicker, any more and I think it will become noticeable. Also the NEM pocket covers about half of the circular aperture which the chains would have to pass through to make it happen, so I doubt if I will take this further for the time being. Having said that the hopper is a separate part linked to the chassis via a bent rod which needs to be removed to build the kit. So someone could have a go if they could get some finer chain which would still be strong enough.

Thanks again. @ RAF, yes I did follow up the link and it is indeed a model of this loco I have for adaptions when it was carrying 1918. Sadly the problem still remains that I need to find the GWR number of an example that was not painted green and retained its original safety valves.

Thanks all, I will also keep looking. Regarding the safety valve cover, the ROD engines originally had two separate safety valves as their LNER 04 counterparts and it wasn't until later that the GWR "Swindonised" them by fitting the typical GWR cover. However, from what I have read, the locos hired from the Government after the war were not so altered and I believe this also applied to the no-so-good locos the GWR bought which they decided to run into the ground. As an aside I have found one photo but I cannot make out the number and I think they might have "GREAT WESTERN" in full on the tenders rather than the black patch: (any idea how to make the above a hyper link?)