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I know a few people have messaged Metcalfe about if they'd ever consider a TT:120 scale range of buildings, and as I understand it the response has been that they've just invested a lot in new equipment for the 00 and N kits and so investing in TT isn't in their immediate future. The N kits I've built for Hollybush actually look mostly a decent fit for TT, with just one exception. The doors on some kits, particularly houses and shops, look just a fraction too short. However, as the kits have door frames that the doors fit into, I've found that printing out some TT scale doors from the print at home download kits I've got from Scalescenes or Wordsworth and fitting them in the N doorway makes it look a much better fit for TT. Do you think Metcalfe might find it more feasible to make an N/TT kit which just has a couple of extra, slightly larger, doors included?

Photo: N scale Metcalfe shop with Wordsworth 00 door printed at 63% for TT:120 scale.

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Much as I like Metcalfe kits, if they are not going to support this scale then I will turn to those companies that will. There is growing number of alternative outlets who have invested in laser cutters and are beginning to support the 1:120 scale. We need to support them if the range is to grow.

We have got the track gauge to scale after years of compromise with OO and N and I am not giving in on the buildings. Unless I want a false-perspective effect then I'm sorry Metcalfe but I am looking elsewhere or scratch-building.

If anyone is fortunate enough to be attending Model World LIVE perhaps they can canvas the exhibitors?

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Either that or Dave has created himself a business empire! That’s a very good idea, the doorways are always the bit that gives away scale. I move mine a bit further away but Dave’s idea is brilliant 👍

@dBerriff I fully appreciate that but Metcalfe do have a great range of really nice kits and their N scale stuff is oversize for even British N, on some buildings is very very close to 120 😁

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I was careful to say I like Metcalfe kits and we will most likely add a Metcalfe castle to our layout. I will personally look for suppliers positively supporting this scale.

If Metcalfe N-gauge is that much over-scale then they will be included. 👍

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I don't get the impression that Metcalfe are in any way negative about TT, just that it's not something they can make a business case for at the moment. Of course, that does leave the door open for others and if someone does come in with more kits as good as theirs in TT scale then I'll be looking at them too. The Metcalfe kits I've got so far look very much in keeping with the scale of everything else on my layout, but I had this thought about the door today so I thought I'd share. A nice and simple bit of kit modding to make them even more suitable. 🙂 

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Just to give an idea  of diferance betwen   N and TT 1:120  here is a pic of  TT 120  scale  rule  on a N gauge  rule.  Though  not an  exact  science,  it  shows  6' in N scale  is  approx  5'  in TT.  

I like the idea of  overlaying  the  doors on the N metcalfe  kits.   

The TT  rule I printed  of the  Scalescenes  website using  the 00 one  at  63%. 20240424_192846.thumb.jpg.0d43966f552d56273edfee6601a219e2.jpg

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1 hour ago, Mulsanne88 said:

I have now invested in a few laser kits from 

Inthegreenwood laser

They are probably not for beginners but they do make up into really nice buildings for tt.

 

I’ve several of them and very pleased. Oh, and the whiff of burning when the box is first opened ….

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The Greenwood kits look really good, but painting isn't something I'm very skilled at so the printed kits like Metcalfe are more suited to me. On the subject of Metcalfe being over scale for N, here's one I'm working on tonight. The building on the left is a Wordsworth 00 kit made at 63% for TT:120 scale, the one on the right is Metcalfe N. The first floor windows more or less line up exactly on both.large.HollybushRailway-1.jpeg.4a0b966167d3d52ef98291aef48aee62.jpeg

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The painting aspect is a very good point from Dave. Some surfaces work ok with a paint wash but the individual brick/stone prints from Metcalfe are good and represent the majority of buildings. Very interesting to see the comparison of window heights with Metcalfe N and rescaled OO. The change in roof height is aesthetically pleasing though 😁

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With the greenwood kits I have made , I  give the finished building (excluding roofs) a run over with grey primer to seal it, then paint the exterior walls/ window frames then glaze/ interior details and finally paint and fit roofs and final painting details

When finished they can look as good as the Hornby resin offerings 

 

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Just a tip regarding any buildings; if you intend to illuminate them I find planning that in in the build phase very helpful and I will make small enclosed rooms to contain light so that one led doesn’t light every window, and with low relief I add a floor and a back (not all kits have them. 
It’s also a good idea to seal the walls and roof with some paint to prevent light bleed. Essential on Resin, wood too. 

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People who follow this subject are probably tired of hearing me say this but I’ve used Metcalfe for tunnel entrances and retaining walls. The tunnels definitely needs some width/height extensions for TT120. My layout won’t have a large number of buildings so I’m using Hornby and Peco at the moment. It would be good to see the latest Hornby village buildings against some of the Metcalfe ones. I’ve heard comments that the Hornby ones look a little small. I wonder how much difference there really is. 
 

@Dave the Buskerlike the door hack

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23 hours ago, Rallymatt said:

I use a regular acrylic spray primer on most things. It’s a good base and works well on most surfaces.

Thanks for that, I was hoping a spray would be recommended. Will grab some. I seems like I need a lot to get going, next step will be getting GWR colour paints and decent glues. Once I’ve got it all I really hope I enjoy the kits 😅

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Getting the bits together can be a bit of effort and some expense but then you find as you do more modelling, you keep going back to the same things and so the cost is spread over a lot of enjoyment. I find rocket card glue best for Metcalfe kits and superglue on the laser cut wood ones. If you check out big craft stores like Hobby Craft and general hardware places you can often get better deals on things that more specialised shops, but always check out their prices too, there can be bargains😁

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