Bogo Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 22 hours ago, Tim Allen said: Either way it’s quality issues they need to address. Having spent quite some time recently reading and watching reviews of Hornby models it does seem to me that they (Hornby) have minimal oversight of the manufacturing process since they started outsourcing it. The result seems to be a very high variability in quality between different models (presumably dependent on the manufacture that they go with), and a poor track record with quality control. I do hope that they will see the error of their ways and change strategy and bring manufacturing back under their control (and onshore). Such as shame to hear you have had problems. You were really excited about your Class 50's arrival. Perhaps your idea of picking up the models directly from Rails is a good one as when the models are without fault they are a technological marvel and a delight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard 1410 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Sir Edward Elgar looking good. A little over oiled though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Model Railway Guy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Hornby delivered my Class 50 a couple of days ago so I've had all weekend to play with it. Very impressed so far although mine was also soaked in oil too 😅 I've put together a quick review for anyone wanting a close up look of the model. If you just want to see it running (with HM7000 sound) you can skip ahead to 08:44 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 A technical feature on the 50 that is great to see is that all axles are driven. It’s been quite common over the years to see only the outer two axles on CoCo arrangements driven. Hornby are certainly putting a lot of thought into TT models. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 @That Model Railway Guy ; just watched your video, nice mix of static and moving shots. 50 looking good. I am glad you referenced the sound quality. On the video it does come across as a bit distorted. I know the sound profile so well as I loaded it onto my BR 130 using an HM DCC N18 decoder and speaker when HM DCC launched. It’s a really great sound profile in person. I did a video of Cold Start last year… I need to include plumes of white smoke and clag 🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Model Railway Guy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Glad you enjoyed it, I try to get a mix of different shots in there to keep it interesting. I just wrote out a huge long post about sound and why it never sounds as good on video but I'm not sure anyone's interested in reading that so I think I'll just agree with you 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbing Bob Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Great video, thanks , my non sound 50 awaits its decoder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 I’ve found that these down pipes obstruct the bogie and coupling socket’s freedom of movement on r3 and r2 curves so I’m going to snip them. I was wondering why the class 50s were the only locomotive to derail rolling stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) Upon closer inspection the whole pocket doesn’t move as freely. Could it be the internal spring that’s too taut and doesn’t allow for a lighter truck to tug the coupling toward centre to make for smooth passage round bends rather than be carried off in a straight line? It hasn’t happened with any of the coaches. Edited May 27 by Skelton Junction Speloing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 The coupling shanks look like they could be a bit short for those bends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 I’ll try longer ones on both tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 I’d try that before snipping anything. Sometimes the Kinetic Mechanism needs a bit of manual coaxing to sit into place and run smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMD Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Is it the same at both ends of the 50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntpntpntp Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 This does sometimes happen with long diesel locos pulling stock round tight bends if the stock doesn't have a matching KK mechanism. I don't own one, but I seem to recall reading that the Dapol N gauge class 50 does similar things with certain stock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 29 minutes ago, GMD said: Is it the same at both ends of the 50? Yes and on both of the 50s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 There’s a simple solution I’m sure otherwise it’d be bizarre that a hornby 50 can’t pull Hornby trucks around r2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) Logic points to the couplings. With magnetic couplings the assembly is a fixed link between both KK Mechs. On the original couplings there is some flex in the point at which both couplings join and through the coupling assembly itself. The wheelbase of the towed stock starts having an effect. A coach bogie wheel base is substantially shorter than a vent van. If you project out the chords (wheel to curve interface) the angle is much more acute the longer the fixed wheel base, causing more drag. That will increase tension in the coupling system. I am sure magnetic couplings are generally only supplied with bogie (very short wheel base) stock Edited May 27 by Rallymatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 The mallard pulls rakes of peco wagons and rakes of vent vans (albeit somewhat indignantly I imagine) with magnetic couplings. As does the 08 and I dare say HST will too. When I flip the 50 over and gently flick the coupling it is stiffer than the others and tends to stick on side. I’ll try lengthier couplings and some more running in with coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) Stiffness won’t be helping but it’s all about the angles due to length of the class 50 as @ntpntpntp said. I was thinking about what he was saying and it makes a lot of sense. Hornby would have been testing with the supplied couplings Edited May 27 by Rallymatt More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Initial fix is to place 50’ passenger brake in between first truck and loco, thanks to @ntpntpntpand @Rallymattfor inspiring that remedy. I’d imagined that fitting the longer hunt magnetic couplings would exasperate the issue by throwing the angle further toward the outer rail so didn’t go down that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathan-346380 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 On 25/05/2024 at 15:46, BigTop said: Has anyone managed to get the body back on after installing a decoder? The decoder is blocking a screw hole. There’s no way a screw would pass through that at the correct angle. But the body won’t fully seat anyway as the screw hole on the underside of the roof dislodges the decoder. Shame. Is the decoder fitted the correct way, have a look at Peachy TT120 on YouTube as in his review he fitted the decoder the wrong way around at first and I believe had an issue with the screws fouling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) You are correct, some have fitted the decoder in the wrong way, Big Top realised. The instructions could be done better as the plug on the decoder is not shown, it relies on people paying attention to the components illustrated on the top of the decoder to get orientation correct, and also looking at that huge white arrow painted on the loco PCB, but how many people would realise what that refers to? Fortunately N18 sockets and connections are configured so that if inserted incorrectly no harm is done. They will even have limited operation. Edited May 28 by Rallymatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 As discussed and corrected further down page 12 from where you took your quote Johnathan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMD Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Just out of interest - has anyone had any retailer orders arrive yet, Rails, TMC, Key, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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